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Post by Father on Jun 19, 2022 11:58:48 GMT 1
In the Blackwood council, discussions seems to mostly be about how much lands and titles they might grab, although Bloodraven seems quite interested in securing hostages to ensure good behavior on the parts of the Bracken, he could be suspected of both wishing to prevent the return of the Bracken ladies so that their stories will not be re-told in the version that would emerge in the safety of their homes, but cynics might note that if they differs from before, The Blackwoods could brand them self-serving Bracken lies, and the Brackens themselves may have little interest in contesting Lord Blackwood's verdict. Lord Blackwood, like young glory hounds, seems only interested in lands.
Bloodraven: Legal Wrangling: 7d6k5+5 28 5d6k4+3 19 5d6 20 6d6k4 184+2+3+2=11->+5=16, +5 VP Negotiation prep: 7d6k2+5 17 5d6k4+3 165 votes: -Warrior's Seat -Greenhill -3x Hostages Lord Blackwood Legal Wrangling: 8d6k6+3 17 5d6k4+3 15 3d6 9 3d6 62+1+1+0=4, +2 VP Negotiation prep: 8d6k6+3 21 5d6k4+3 165 votes -3x Warrior's Seat -Greenhill -Lands Ironhand Legal Wrangling: 6d6k4+2 23 5d6k3+2 19 3d6 8 3d6 173+2+0+2=7, +3 VP Negotiation prep: 6d6k4+2 10 5d6k3+2 161 vote -Warrior's Seat (Orokos is easier to use for rolling multiple things, so narrator invokes laziness clause). Other Blackwood votes: Roland? Davos? Mikel? (Implied he'll take responsibility for his actions, meaning trial and minor favor from Blackwoods for improving the VP balance by doing so). This stage is not applicable for going after blackguards of one's own side, that falls to the other side to push for, then one can vote on whether or not to grant it.
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Post by Davos Dayne on Jun 19, 2022 15:03:17 GMT 1
Declaring votes: 1 for Claim Warrior's Seat. 4 contingent: If the Brackens call for justice for Simon Tarly, then Davos will vote to have him put to trial. Otherwise 2 more for Warrior's Seat, 1 for obtain hostages, and 1 for transfer land. I think I misunderstood how the voting worked in regards to war crimes. Regardless, Davos currently has no faith in Westerosi justice. 3 for Claim Warrior's Seat 1 for obtain hostages (preference for NOT Simon's victims, but I know that will mean little) 1 for transfer land Davos will abstain from any votes on punishment, out of disgust. He will be angry at himself later for not doing everything he could...
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Post by Thaddeus Levalle on Aug 7, 2022 16:17:58 GMT 1
Of course as the heir of his house, Thaddeus had pressing duties that excluded him from joining the conflict fought in the Riverlands between the two feuding houses. He had shifted his attention to other business after the tourney at Whitewalls but now found himself back in the Riverlands. Besides such conflicts as these leave knights very dead and who wants to die in the Riverlands in an ancient feud with an origin that neither side is particularly certain of.
House Levalle was both financially and politically aligned with Bloodraven and House Blackwood. However Ser Parmen Redwyne, his goodbrother and a landed knight sworn to Tear, had joined the side of House Bracken in the conflict despite that alignment. This appeared to have displeased his father somewhat but truly Thaddeus didn't much mind the knight's choice. Though he would have preferred Parmen to consult with him prior to making such a decision...he was the heir after all. If anyone was permitted to defy his father wishes, why it was himself of course. However, it suited him for House Levalle to not seem closed to any business, political or otherwise, despite his father and Lord Florent's decision to publicly align them with King Daeron and his loyalists. To that end, Thaddeus had decided to make a point today to shower Ser Parmen's older brother, Ser Roland Redwyne, with praise for his deeds in Battle Valley. The man needed no additional boost to his ego but there was no denying he was an exceptional knight. He saw today as a double win truth be told...he could curry favor with Redtusk all the while amusing himself by imagining his goodbrother's face as he expanded the shadow of Redtusk's reputation even more so. A shadow he knew Ser Parmen had been struggling to break free from for much of his life. "It's said that Ser Roland Redwyne fought like the warrior himself, that him and a few other good knights were the critical difference in Battle Valley. It was the bravery and skill of Ser Roland and men like him alone which carried the day no matter the stratagem or guidance offered prior to blades being crossed. May his valor be an inspiration to all of us of what heart, courage and discipline can achieve. Good men- raise your voices now in honor of Ser Roland Redwyne, the Redtusk! He's a credit to all knights, to House Redwyne, to the Reach and to the Seven Kingdoms!"Praise Redtusk PeaceOurTime-Crowds Audience(Heir,Inept,Chivalry): 7d6k5+2-1 23 TN12 3 DoS PeaceOurTime-Crowds Persuasion(Convince) +LC TN 12 Praising Redtusk: 5d6k4+3 17 2 DoS PeaceOurTime-Crowds Language(Empathy) TN9 Praising Redtusk: 5d6k3 17 2 DoS 7 DoS+ 3 DoS for passing all tests =10 Total DoS towards praising Redtusk. 150% of non disposition listed effect(Redtusk bonus to audience test equal to 150% glory won and possible follow up by narrator). +2 Disposition with Ser Roland Redwyne. Officially he was supporting House Blackwood at these preceding so his remaining efforts were put forth in that endeavor. He threw his mind, words and weight behind the Bloods and House Blackwood guiding the proceedings where he could to their benefit. Legal Wrangling PeaceOurTime-Legal Wrangling Audience(Heir,Inept,Chivalry) TN12: 7d6k5+2-1 24 3 DoS PeaceOurTime-Legal Wrangling Persuasion(Convince)+LC TN12: 5d6k4+3 19 2 DoS PeaceOurTime-Legal Wrangling-Blood/Blackwood Knowledge(Education)TN12: 5d6k4 21 TN9 actually, 3 DoS PeaceOurTime-Legal Wrangling-Blood/Blackwood Cunning(Logic) TN9: 4d6 20 3 DoS 11 +5 for passing all tests= 16 Total DoS- +5 VP to House Blackwood, +2 Disposition with House Blackwood (It came to my attention this was P4 and still seemed unclosed, contributed as a non participant. Primarily looking for the disposition gains if any event conclusions are already worked)
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Post by Father on Sept 13, 2022 13:05:18 GMT 1
So wrapup:
Before event participation:
Victory Points: Blackwood: 152 Bracken: 131
Counts of War Crimes: Blackwood: 20 Bracken: 7
Mikel: +2 Blackwood VP, +2 Votes Laena: +3 Bracken VP, +4 Blackwood VP Davos: +5 Blackwood VP, +3 Votes Balon: +1 Bracken VP, +3 Votes Roland: +4 Blackwood VP, +3 Votes Gwenys: +4 Blackwood VP Daeron: +3 Bracken VP, +8 Votes Otho: +4 Bracken VP, +2 Votes, +Mikel Votes Rowan: +7 Blackwood VP Peake: +7 Bracken VP Addam: -1 Blackwood VP, +4 Bracken VP Bittersteel: +4 Bracken VP, +7 Votes Bracken: +5 Bracken VP, +9 votes Bloodraven: +4 Blackwood VP, +5 Votes Blackwood: +2 Blackwood VP, +5 votes Ironhand: +3 Blackwood VP, +1 Votes Thaddeus: +5 Blackwood VP.
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Post by Davos Dayne on Sept 13, 2022 15:42:27 GMT 1
Per the Volunteer Work thread, here is my tally. I note that my numbers are not the same as yours from a couple hours ago. Not quite sure why. | Blackwood | Bracken | Votes Earned | Votes Cast | Disposition Changes | Starting VP | 152 | 131 | | | | Mikel | 2 | | 5 | 4? | | Laena | 4 | 3 | | | +2 Blackwood, +2 Bracken | Davos | 4 | | 5 | 5 | | Balon | | 1 | 3 | 3 | | Roland | 4 | | 3 | 2? | | Gwenys | 4 | | | | | Daeron | | 3 | 8 | 8 | | Eldon | | | 3 | 3 | | Otho | | 4 | 3 | 3 | | Rowan | 7 | | | | | Peake | | 7 | | | | Addam | -1 | 4 | | | -5 Blackwood, +2 Bracken | Bittersteel | | 5 | 7 | 7 | | Lord Bracken | | 5 | 9 | 9 | | Bloodraven | 4 | | 5 | 5 | | Lord Blackwood | 2 | | 5 | 5 | | Ironhand | 3 | | 1 | 1 | | Thaddeus | 5 | | | | +2 Blackwood, +2 Roland Redwyne | Total | 190 | 162 | | | |
Vote counts with a '?' are Blackwood votes for punishing Simon Tarly, but if I am understanding correctly, the votes to hold members of one's own side accountable are separate from the Treaty Negotiation votes.
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Post by Father on Sept 13, 2022 23:32:10 GMT 1
We both have made mistakes looks like, if assuming we are correct where we agree, then it looks like the changes needed to your table is that Bittersteel gets 4 VP.
Next up is a tally of what's been voted for and who has votes outstanding.
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Post by Davos Dayne on Sept 14, 2022 3:36:43 GMT 1
Oops, yes, that is a transcription error; I had it right in the spreadsheet when I was counting, and the total at the bottom is correct.
As far as I can tell, only Mikel and Roland have votes left, in part because they voted for a Simon Tarly trial and that is not a valid option.
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Post by Davos Dayne on Sept 14, 2022 4:09:56 GMT 1
Tally of votes as they have been cast:
Blackwood: 24 earned, 19 cast 10 Warrior's Seat (2 Mikel, 3 Davos, 1 Bloodraven, 3 Lord Blackwood, 1 Ironhand) 2 Greenhill (1 Bloodraven, 1 Lord Blackwood) 2 Generic Land (1 Davos, 1 Lord Blackwood) 4 Hostages (1 Davos, 3 Bloodraven) 1 Punish Rhys Daverhyl (1 Roland) 0 Punish Ironhand 0 Punish Mikel 5 Unused/Punish Simon (3 Mikel, 2 Roland)
Bracken: 32 earned & cast 15 Pennytree (3 Balon, 1 Daeron, 1 Otho, 4 Bittersteel, 6 Lord Bracken) 4 Generic Land (1 Daeron, 1 Otho, 1 Bittersteel, 1 Lord Bracken) 2 Hostages (1 Bittersteel, 1 Lord Bracken) 5 Do NOT Punish Simon (3 from Lord Piggy's shenanigans, 1 Bittersteel, 1 Lord Bracken) 2 Punish Simon (2 Daeron) 2 Punish Rhys (2 Daeron) 2 Punish Ironhand (2 Daeron) 1 Punish Mikel (1 Otho)
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Post by Father on Sept 17, 2022 15:37:25 GMT 1
Okay, so demands from Bracken camp to punish: Rhys (5 points) -Will not assume responsibility- Burning down a village probably makes him risk worse than just a fine. Ironhand (10 points) -Will not assume responsibility- Mikel (3 points)-Indicated maybe assuming responsibility (can be dangerous with Otho lurking).
Blackwood: 190 -Up to 72 points deducted if denying trials. Bracken: 162 -54 points spent pushing for punishments.
Meaning the Blackwood group gets to yay/nay/abstain for each of those 3 to go to trial or not. (Blackwoods are presumably going to close ranks around Ironhand, Mikel should probably have their backing, but Rhys may find that he pissed too many people off).
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Post by Davos Dayne on Sept 17, 2022 17:09:00 GMT 1
Assuming Yea means sending to trial; Rhys - Yea Ironhand - Yea Mikel - Nay
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Post by Father on Sept 20, 2022 0:57:56 GMT 1
Small adjustment since Bloodraven kept only 2 dice instead of 5 on the orokos roll, so +1 VP to Blackwood.
Anyhow, weight of each character's vote: Davos: 4 Mikel: 3 Roland: 3 Robyn: 8 Lord Blackwood: 8 Ironhand: 8 Bloodraven: 10 Total: 44 (47 with Rhys). Needed for conviction: 27 (less if someone abstains)
Okay, so demands from Bracken camp to punish: Rhys (5 points) -Will not assume responsibility- Burning down a village probably makes him risk worse than just a fine. Ironhand (10 points) -Will not assume responsibility- Mikel (3 points)-Indicated maybe assuming responsibility (can be dangerous with Otho lurking).
Blackwood: 191 -Up to 72 points deducted if denying trials. Bracken: 162 -54 points spent pushing for punishments.
Meaning the Blackwood group gets to yay/nay/abstain for each of those 3 to go to trial or not. (Blackwoods are presumably going to close ranks around Ironhand, Mikel should probably have their backing, but Rhys may find that he pissed too many people off).
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Post by Roland Cordwayner on Sept 20, 2022 9:53:13 GMT 1
Roland's heart leapt at Ser Mikel's brave stand in owning his deeds. The honourable gesture, but the leap was part pride in friend, but a small part trepidation too. Ser Mikel had no great lands or influence to shield him.
"We have gained much, and if there deeds were just then let Ironhand, Rhys or Ser Mikel prove their cases before gods and men."
"Much has been gained here by planning, the strength of our arms and by blood shed. We should not give up the lands won here or our rights to hostages we've won by taking the cowards route and denying our deeds. We have had the better of things, let us not surrender the gains from the battlefield over the negotiating table. Ser Mikel leads by example here."
"We are knights, and we should stand behind what we have done. First with our words, then with our bodies if need be."
Rolands votes: Punish Rhys Daverhyl, Greenhill (Claypool instead if that's an option as nobody voted for that yet and Roland won the battle there tool), Hostages seeing as he can't vote for punishing Ser Simon Tarly.
Trials: - Yay to all three of Rhys, Ironhand and Mikel going to trial.
[OOC: Roland is Vainglorious and captured Greenhill + won the Claypool battle and took Hostages, so he'll naturally push for those. But he's also Prejudiced against people like Rhys so wants him punished.]
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Post by Davos Dayne on Sept 20, 2022 14:46:21 GMT 1
If I am understanding correctly, you would not be voting to punish Rhys with your main votes, if there were warcrimes performed by those on the Bracken side that you feel are should go to trial instead of generically being held against House Bracken you would vote for that. There is a 'generic' land transfer option, Daeron used that to represent pushing for Mudgrave, similar could be done with Roland's pushing for Claypool.
The 'trials' vote is where we vote whether or not to send people on our own side to trial (yea), or to have House Blackwood take responsibility (nay).
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Post by Mikel of Harroway on Oct 10, 2022 4:58:12 GMT 1
Mikel will also vote yay to all three going to trial.
[OOC: Sorry if I was being waited on! ]
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Post by Father on Oct 24, 2022 15:10:43 GMT 1
So: Rhys: 3+4+3=10, presumably Robyn makes it 18 Ironhand: 3+4+3=10, presumably Robyn makes it 18 Mikel: Voting Yeah to himself is interpreted as taking responsibility, voiding need to tally.
Blackwoods will not sell out one of their own. Rhys....Ironhand votes no, the other two may be convinced to see it differently. That leaves Bloodraven at 10 and Lord Blackwood at 8. Presently 18-8 for conviction, to send Rhys to trial then: A: Bloodraven votes for conviction: 28-18 (max)->Trial. B: Lord Blackwood and Bloodraven abstains: 18-8->Trial. (Stronger versions of the two alternatives noted above also leads to trial.)
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