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May 15, 2022 12:20:41 GMT 1
Post by Father on May 15, 2022 12:20:41 GMT 1
1. Looks like. 2. Hmm, seems reasonable if it's agents of similar skillsets for similar jobs, the +1D would in part reflect specialty. 3. Intermediaries and agents won't be taking extra time.
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May 15, 2022 14:12:47 GMT 1
Post by Laena Pyre on May 15, 2022 14:12:47 GMT 1
Okay, another hypothetical (which I have not discussed with Roland, to be clear). Say I choose to dig into Maegelle personally, taking extra time, since that looks to be the only way to have a chance to dig up something juicy enough to be worth the effort, could Roland Assist by providing the funds to loosen lips without making his presence super-obvious? Basically, I will know who he is and what he's done, but unless I'm caught, that information is not discoverable?
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May 15, 2022 14:20:31 GMT 1
Post by Roland Cordwayner on May 15, 2022 14:20:31 GMT 1
Okay, another hypothetical (which I have not discussed with Roland, to be clear). Say I choose to dig into Maegelle personally, taking extra time, since that looks to be the only way to have a chance to dig up something juicy enough to be worth the effort, could Roland Assist by providing the funds to loosen lips without making his presence super-obvious? Basically, I will know who he is and what he's done, but unless I'm caught, that information is not discoverable? Indeed, as wisely or unwisely Roland has already been established as providing financial support to Laena's activity in a previous scene. Roland is ludicrously wealthy from tournaments and other events. If he was a sensible man (and Seven know we've certainly established he isn't) he'd take the money and retire to Essos with Alicent. What a life they'd be able to enjoy! But that would be a dull story, and it is not in his nature!
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May 15, 2022 21:57:48 GMT 1
Post by Father on May 15, 2022 21:57:48 GMT 1
Hmm, I don't think giving Laena money would count as an assist if Laena is doing all the work while using that money.
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May 16, 2022 0:32:35 GMT 1
Post by Laena Pyre on May 16, 2022 0:32:35 GMT 1
Hmm. Okay. I think this is the last of the possible angles I have:
Can you hire an agent to assist you with an action, as part of the action? (So, if you hire the 4D agent, they'd give you a +2 bonus. Obviously, there's no point if it's a separate action, as that would be trading +1D for +2.) If you can, would there be a discount, since I wouldn't be asking them to do anything I'm not doing? (Even if I would obviously be concealing my identity from them.)
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May 16, 2022 12:11:32 GMT 1
Post by Father on May 16, 2022 12:11:32 GMT 1
Hmm, question a little unclear.
Blood money is basically go find someone to do a task for you, which takes an action to do. If that task is to assist on some other action, then logically you need to take two actions, one to hire help and one to go do it (which, yes, taking extra time is probably more efficient).
May be possible to pay other NPC's with favors to help if they think getting dirt on Maegelle is a worthy goal.
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Post by Laena Pyre on May 16, 2022 14:54:21 GMT 1
Hmm. Hadn't thought of that. Would that include 'formerly-PC NPCs'? Specifically Alliser? A key issue with finding stealthy, sneaky characters is that if you find them, they're clearly not very good at it! But I have long-standing good relations with the Levalles, and they have beef with Maegelle since a long time ago, and I know Regyn has the required skills. But I'm aware former-PCs are sometimes treated differently from 'true' NPCs, though he is a 'canon' character.
Edit: Also, Thaddeus has returned! That potentially adds options.
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May 17, 2022 20:52:24 GMT 1
Post by Father on May 17, 2022 20:52:24 GMT 1
Generally prefer to not former PC's (and especially not their cohorts) as actively as that. Although I am making a bit of an exception for Lysette, but mostly for driving Starling story.
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May 20, 2022 1:39:25 GMT 1
Post by Laena Pyre on May 20, 2022 1:39:25 GMT 1
Blood money is basically go find someone to do a task for you, which takes an action to do. If that task is to assist on some other action, then logically you need to take two actions, one to hire help and one to go do it (which, yes, taking extra time is probably more efficient). Working on a plan with Thaddeus & Roland, confirming a few things. 1) From what you say above, it is possible to hire an agent to Assist with someone else's action? 2) The fact that it specifically says 'instigator' implies to me that a PC Assisting another PC (who takes that option) doesn't have to roll, they share the 'instigator's' result. Correct? 3) Would 'high-risk endeavours' count as a 'reasonable limitation'? Presuming that this would involve *personally* digging into a murder of a lord on the murderer's land, I think it's fair to say there is arguably a dividing line between 'pride' and 'outright suicidal stupidity'. (This being why agents are typically used for this kind of thing.)
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May 23, 2022 11:43:26 GMT 1
Post by Father on May 23, 2022 11:43:26 GMT 1
1. It would add to the complexity of the consequences if someone in the link is found out, but I don't see much of a problem if people keep to 3 actions total.
2. Yes
3. Proud actually got a line at the bottom of the event to distinguish, if the point is to have a deniable asset to take the risk, pride doesn't kick in. But if you just wanted someone a little better than you, pride would kick in.
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May 23, 2022 18:21:26 GMT 1
Post by Laena Pyre on May 23, 2022 18:21:26 GMT 1
3. Proud actually got a line at the bottom of the event to distinguish, if the point is to have a deniable asset to take the risk, pride doesn't kick in. But if you just wanted someone a little better than you, pride would kick in. Sorry, I realise I was unclear. I am (in this scenario) doing the action myself. I am potentially being Assisted by a hired agent, and another PC who also has Proud. Proud normally requires a roll to give or take assistance from others, but under the (potentially rather dangerous) circumstances, I'm unclear if either, neither, or both of us PCs would need to roll Proud to give/take Assistance.
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May 23, 2022 19:20:15 GMT 1
Post by Father on May 23, 2022 19:20:15 GMT 1
Proud would function normally in that case (but doesn't directly hinder you from assisting others...although the "in your stead" wording could get in the way under certain circumstances).
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Jun 7, 2022 20:20:44 GMT 1
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Post by Thaddeus Levalle on Jun 7, 2022 20:20:44 GMT 1
Question that I thought possibly may have came up previously with all the marriages/betrothals that have gone down…would 3rd party intrigues working towards home house marriage/betrothal contracts be considered low or high stakes(ie would they take a major or minor favor)? I can talk myself back and forth as they are low stakes for the realm/reach but could be considered high stakes for the house involved.
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Jun 10, 2022 19:47:29 GMT 1
Post by Father on Jun 10, 2022 19:47:29 GMT 1
A favor would generally be more along the lines of helping brokering such a thing, although the one doing the brokering could be inside the house a contract with is sought....
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Jul 18, 2022 4:26:03 GMT 1
Post by Davos Dayne on Jul 18, 2022 4:26:03 GMT 1
For the twin tourneys, would you like requests for favors (and related intrigues, as necessary) in the main thread or separate threads?
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