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Post by Father on Aug 15, 2019 19:35:12 GMT 1
A Great Bastard ought not be surprised if others would like to see him, particularly not one as successful at the lists as Aerion. That he has elected to bring his daughter would suggest a very specific reason, which shouldn't come as much of a surprise either. Intrigue Iniative: 6d6k4 21Free Action Breeding: 6d6k4 18 Aerion's DR will be as if dispsition is improved by 2 steps, so probably 3. ID: 14 DR: 3 Composure: 14 Objective (Convince): Would you consider marry Janna? He's exploring options rather than trying to close any deals, Janna for whatever reasons she may have is not bothering to help, if anything, she'd initiate a separate intrigue all of her own to charm Aerion and let papa chase tourney knights, whatever she thinks of the match, it's never wrong to have knights like you.
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Post by Aerion Flowers on Aug 21, 2019 18:16:00 GMT 1
Aerion greets Ser Raymun and his daughter happily. "Ser Raymun Hightower. I hope to find you well Ser. My condolences again for Ser Jon. He was a good man. And Lady Janna, a pleasure indeed to be blessed by your beauty and company. What can I do for you both today?" Intrigue with Ser Raymun - Stutus (Breeding): 5d6k4+1 13Intrigue with Ser Raymun - Stutus (Reputation) - Initiative: 6d6k4+1 19 - Raymun goes first ID: 12 (+5 1/day used if attacked) DR: 3 (Starting Disposition: Indifferent) Composure: 12/12 Objective: (Bargain) Explore the possibility of marriage with Janna. Won't likely commit to anything here alone (Now if there were lands/valyrian swords in the mix, that's another story!)., but willing to listen to what they has to say.
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Post by Father on Aug 21, 2019 19:10:41 GMT 1
"This young lady here was very insistent that I took her to meet the one that sent Blackfyre himself out of The Whitewalls tourney" Ser Raymun replies, the look on Janna's face suggests that it's her father that is Ser Aerion's newest biggest fan, but she does not at all seem to mind being brought along, and offer curtsy and courtesies, beaming very appropriately to the complement, probably young enough not to have heard it one too many times.
Breeding 13 is 0 DoS ID: 14 DR: 3 Composure: 14 Objective (Convince): Would you consider marry Janna? Convince: 5d6k4+2 18 is 1 DoS vs 12+5, for 4-3=1 composure. Dennis isn't likely to give up Vigilance anytime soon, and Hightowers doesn't have any other. Lands? Hightowers doesn't lack for it at least. I think that should be ID: 12 and Composure 11, knightly chivalry is +2
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Post by Aerion Flowers on Aug 21, 2019 19:59:36 GMT 1
Aerion gives a modest bow at the complement. "It is rare for ladies to be so interested in our noble sport. It seems you have raised quite the daughter, Ser Raymun. Truth be told I'm not sure if we repeat that day that the outcome would be the same, but the Warrior favoured me that day and for that, I am humbled."
ID: 12 DR: 3 Composure: 10/11 Objective: Hear Ser Raymun's best proposal to consider marrying Lady Janna Marry Janna? - Persuasion (Bargain) vs. ID 14: 6d6k4+2 21 - 2 DoS (Influence s persuasion right?) 2 * 4 = 8 - 3 = 5 Composure Lost
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Post by Father on Aug 21, 2019 23:30:45 GMT 1
Janna throws in a glib comment about how it was probably her fault, see, if someone named Roland wears her favor, they lose in the final, if whoever wears her favor is not named Roland and faces someone named Roland, they lose that match. The logic doesn't quite extend to how it's her fault, since Ser Roland Cordwayner is promised to another now, but she does sound like she knows how this works, and she is almost as good as Laena as to make it seem like a more solemn declaration based on actual facts than youthful naivete.
No, it depends on technique, bargain is cunning. for 2*3-3=3 ID: 14 DR: 3 Composure: 11/14 Objective (Convince): Would you consider marry Janna? Convince: 5d6k4+2 22 3*4-3=9
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Post by Aerion Flowers on Aug 22, 2019 16:26:22 GMT 1
Do not blame yourself, Lady. I'm sure that is nothing more than coincidence. But I will keep an eye out in the next tourney to see if it holds true."
ID: 12 DR: 3 Composure: 2/11 Objective: Hear Ser Raymun's best proposal to consider marrying Lady Janna.
[OOC: Can you explain how this is at all convincing me to marry her? Aerion is willing to listen to the offer of marriage and what he gets out of it, but we're making small talk / talking about not much at all and somehow I'm one influence action away from a defeat. There seems to be a disconnect from the rp and the intrigue itself, especially since not once has marriage even be brought up or mentioned? If this is charm, sure, that makes sense, but I'm not being convinced of anything.
Also, is Janna participating and that roll was her influence action, or is Raymun influencing me without saying anything?
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Post by Father on Aug 23, 2019 10:56:38 GMT 1
Ser Raymun makes a dry comment about chance and the randomness of the joust, as if he thinks Janna was serious, she rolls her eyes apologetically. He then mentions off-handedly the tourney they are preparing at Oldtown for Ser Willas' wedding, surely Aerion will attend? Aerion must have seen the great city, no? What does he think of it? He tries to be subtle about hinting that perhaps Aerion would find it pleasing to make himself at home there, not very subtle, but it's clear enough that he intends to marry Lady Janna to a knight of renown that would strengthen his own position in vying for the regency for young Lord Brynden. Janna somehow appears all corteous and polite, and yet rather bored at being introduced to another knight of renown, but at least Aerion doesn't get the impression that she would object to him, the signals she sends points more in the line that he would prefer Aerion over most of the other.
Mostly me typing into the IC whatever drops first into my mind, I've got a better feel for Janna than Raymun atm, so it's easier to have her drop in. He's the one actively wanting Aerion to consider the idea.
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Post by Aerion Flowers on Sept 4, 2019 1:52:26 GMT 1
Aerion says that he hopes to see them there of course, and that it's been too long since he was in Old Town. Adding in some non-committal pleasantries about the city, he spends more time paying attention to Lady Janna than her father. Before he would consider marrying her, he would know the kind of person she is. So he asks he to tell him more about herself.
Is there any reason for me to continue the intrigue so far if it is going to lead to Aerion being convinced?
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Post by Father on Sept 6, 2019 16:59:45 GMT 1
Janna's answers, while fairly standard, liking books, exciting ones in particular, dancing, music, not so much fond of needlework as a proper lady is encourage to be, oh and she likes the antics of clever fools, but sometimes should have wished that it wasn't unladylike to desire to cut off their hands, does show off a wit beyond her years, and a penchant for sneaking innocent little jokes alongside them without at all pushing the bounds of propriety, though they do threaten to ensnare young knights who does not keep their own wits abut them into laughing inappropriately or find themselves ensnared in embarrassment. Whether she just seeks to tests Aerion, seeks her own amusement or hopes to scuttle this latest fancy of her father, who can say?
No point in rolling if all it does it to kick in open doors.
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Post by Aerion Flowers on Sept 17, 2019 1:41:45 GMT 1
Not quite what I meant.
This isn't at all convincing to Aerion to consider marrying Lady Janna, other than the standard "young, pretty, single, and ready to mingle" qualities that are shared by many others.
But given the mechanics of the intrigue, Aerion is one influence action away from being "convinced" to consider it, even though nothing really has been offered other than (from my interpretation) gauging Aerion's interest in the city itself and perhaps if we're reaching a potential invitation to join them for that event that could be interpreted as offering more?
So I'm considering (ha) quitting the intrigue to avoid being "convinced". And since they haven't even seriously hinted at a marriage, I don't expect much in the way of fallout from quitting the intrigue, as we haven't really even gotten started (despite being one action away from the end, mechanically). Maybe they think Aerion rude for changing the subject, but we're not really "ON" subject, so can they really get that offended?
I'm asking if there are any reasons why I shouldn't use the Quit action to negate them winning, since I don't believe they should be winning.
For context, imagine that we took these exact rolls and applied them to the conversation between Aerion and Marq. The RP and mechanics would be completely disjointed and, despite Marq winning, shouldn't result in Aerion wanting to marry Janna any more than he already does/doesn't, since Marq and him never talked at all about it. That's how I feel about this scene. I don't want to make more work for you in terms of role play or pull attention from other threads (I'm ok with broad strokes and third person posts), and forgive me if this is just my unfamiliarity with the Intrigue system, but I would think that someone trying to convince Aerion of something has to actually breach that subject before he can be one action away from convincing Aerion of that thing.
Sorry. I'm just trying to learn the intrigue system while reconciling it with the RP. (I don't mind losing, just want to lose fairly lol)
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Post by Father on Sept 17, 2019 17:34:20 GMT 1
The tricky part is that intrigue by PbP sometimes makes the dices outrun the roleplay. Sometimes the other way around. And Raymun turns out to be among the more difficult NPC's to write.
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Post by Aerion Flowers on Sept 18, 2019 4:51:27 GMT 1
Aerion finds the young maiden quite intriguing, but remains as modest and proper as present company would expect. As Ser Reymund persisted at steering the conversation where he could not-so-subtly hint at a proposal between the two young adults, Aerion finally found an excuse he had been looking for outside in the rose garden as Tommen can be seen lounging against a fence wasting time as only a teenager can.
"Excuse me, Lady Janna. Ser Raymun." says Aerion giving each of them a short bow of respect. "I take my responsibilities as mentor quite seriously and, at present, am derelict in those duties. I hope you will excuse me as this is a wonderful teaching moment that I would be remiss to pass up."
He turns his full attention to Janna, and his pale lavender eyes shine bright in the mid-morning sun. "I will do my utmost to join you in your great city for those games. Perhaps next then we can find more time to discuss pleasantries." He turns to Ser Raymun"And you and I can find time to go hunting!"
Aerion will attempt to make his way over to Tommen to presumably berate him for some thing or the other that the young squire has done wrong or forgot to do. In reality, Aerion merely smacks him on the back of the head and then tells him he must learn to be quick on his toes and always be alert to any potential dangers or escapes.
Quitting the intrigue politely to avoid defeat.
(quitting because intrigue isn't mind control and Aerion isn't convinced to agree to anything, so this makes most sense to me. If defeat is jsut interpreted as "Aerion understands the subble hints that Raymun is offering his daughter's hand, without having to agree", then I'm alright with losing as that could work.)
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Post by Father on Sept 18, 2019 17:22:06 GMT 1
Well, mostly Raymun hopes Aerion would consider it a possibility, he isn't so much making any offers of her hand as exploring the options as to who might be inclined to accept said offer.
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Post by Aerion Flowers on Sept 20, 2019 4:08:35 GMT 1
Aerion will consider it, just as he would consider all offers. But he is very non-committal in his responses.
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Post by Father on Sept 22, 2019 0:52:25 GMT 1
Another man than Ser Raymun might take offense at such an abrupt excuse to leave, but he is more the pragmatist than most, but he does make some conclusions. Once alone with papa, Janna takes the chance to not so subtly or politely ask if they are done with the cattle show. Some would be alarmed by her direct manners bordering on the disrespectful, not to mention where she would have picked up on that phrase, but Ser Raymun contends himself with the fact that she knows very well how to keep her manners in sight of anyone else. That maybe she requires a husband that would appreciate such behavior to be happy he does not consider, reasoning that she will grow out of her occasional childishness with time.
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