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Post by Ashara Starkwood on Nov 6, 2018 0:29:43 GMT 1
Ordinarily, Daemon would have left Jasper to fend for himself, but someone decided to engage him in intrigue back on day 2 or something. But now there is no more Valyrian insurance policy against what Balon might be doing next. *whistles innocently* Also, tinkering with melee design at the moment, anyone with ideas as to honorable (but tactically unwise) and dishonorable (but tactically opportunistic) acts that might be performed? And then utterly vicious heinous acts that only blackguards might find it in them to willingly perform. I kind of wrote this list backwards - things probably disapproved of but not outright disqualifying. Mostly just spitballing. Aiming for the head is probably considered poor sport - it can be fatal even if the helm stops the blow - and that was well known at the time. 'killing strikes' in general - aiming for armpits or groin, for instance. Hitting your opponent's horse. Trampling a downed opponent. Attacking from behind, throwing sand, or other 'dirty tactics' (feinting fine, but anything more would probably not be approved of). Grabbing/tripping an opponent(?) Attacking an opponent while they are on the ground (or maybe it's positive chivalry to let them stand up?) Poisoned weapons, of course. Honorable but tactically unsound could include - letting an opponent stand after falling before re-engaging not attacking someone that is dueling an ally dismounting to face a dismounted foe on even terms dropping your shield if your opponent's has been destroyed allowing an opponent to re-arm themselves and/or catch their breath before engaging in a 1v1 accepting a 1v1 challenge form a superior opponent Only blackguards would consider... using a Vicious weapon intentionally aim for permanent damage (eyes, throat, armpit, groin. etc) trampling a downed foe grappling or otherwise holding down a foe for an opponent to take 'free shots' kill an opponent's horse try to cause a panic among the horses
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Post by Laena Pyre on Nov 6, 2018 3:16:08 GMT 1
It turns out, I am still mentally a teenager. A young teenager. After orating for Ser Roland, Septon Abelar posted this: Finished with oratory for the nonce[...] Now, that is a 100% legitimate use of language. However, And so, because I am perpetually 13 years old, I'm still giggling.
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Post by Parmen Redwyne on Nov 6, 2018 3:23:22 GMT 1
*whistles innocently* Also, tinkering with melee design at the moment, anyone with ideas as to honorable (but tactically unwise) and dishonorable (but tactically opportunistic) acts that might be performed? And then utterly vicious heinous acts that only blackguards might find it in them to willingly perform. I kind of wrote this list backwards - things probably disapproved of but not outright disqualifying. Mostly just spitballing. Aiming for the head is probably considered poor sport - it can be fatal even if the helm stops the blow - and that was well known at the time. 'killing strikes' in general - aiming for armpits or groin, for instance. Hitting your opponent's horse. Trampling a downed opponent. Attacking from behind, throwing sand, or other 'dirty tactics' (feinting fine, but anything more would probably be approved of). Grabbing/tripping an opponent(?)Attacking an opponent while they are on the ground (or maybe it's positive chivalry to let them stand up?) Poisoned weapons, of course.Honorable but tactically unsound could include - letting an opponent stand after falling before re-engaging not attacking someone that is dueling an ally dismounting to face a dismounted foe on even terms dropping your shield if your opponent's has been destroyed allowing an opponent to re-arm themselves and/or catch their breath before engaging in a 1v1 accepting a 1v1 challenge form a superior opponent Only blackguards would consider... using a Vicious weapon intentionally aim for permanent damage (eyes, throat, armpit, groin. etc) trampling a downed foe grappling or otherwise holding down a foe for an opponent to take 'free shots' kill an opponent's horse try to cause a panic among the horses I really like your list. Glad to see that even the Dornish will not be supporting poisoned weapons in the melee ; ). I do have an objection to the no grabbing or tripping rule. My understanding is that this type of grappling was a crucial part of a knights martial training, especially as plate armor evolved. I can see why it might be not recommended during the joust but the melee seems like the perfect place for this sort of fighting. Thanks for taking the time to put this together.
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Post by Ashara Starkwood on Nov 6, 2018 4:44:50 GMT 1
I do have an objection to the no grabbing or tripping rule. My understanding is that this type of grappling was a crucial part of a knights martial training, especially as plate armor evolved. I can see why it might be not recommended during the joust but the melee seems like the perfect place for this sort of fighting. When I was training in kung fu, my instructor went through one of the standard sequences and explained what each move was intended to do. One of them was a move that was designed to crush the larynx. Literally a killing blow. We were of course then told not to ever use it in anything other than a display form - there just was no way to safely 'pull' the hit. Grapplng in plate was definitely a commonly trained skill, for the same reason in a real battle you would never want to use an arming sword (ie longsword) against heavy plate armor. The idea of grappling was to then slip a dagger of sort into a gap in the armor into a vital area - not very 'honorable' and definitely a killing technique. It would be reasonable that most knights were trained to do this - for real battle, not 'sport'. I' not saying it should be against the rules per se, much as the Brutal technique is not against the rules in the joust - just looked down on.
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Post by Father on Nov 6, 2018 15:59:13 GMT 1
Of note is that the melee will take place on horseback, and getting knocked off the horse means you lose.
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Post by Ashara Starkwood on Nov 6, 2018 16:33:42 GMT 1
hm. so it's more of a mass joust than a 'last man standing' fight.
The base rules only have 4 ways to explicitly dismount a foe - jousting, pull a rider form their mount, defeating the rider, defeating the horse. Are you adding something else in?
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Post by Alliser on Nov 6, 2018 16:42:15 GMT 1
Would it be possible to perform a "sweep" maneuver. Where someone with a faster house charges in at an angle to knock the other lances off target?
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Post by Daeron Wildfyre on Nov 6, 2018 20:14:40 GMT 1
Suddenly I’m much less confident with my chances in the melee.
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Post by Roland Cordwayner on Nov 6, 2018 20:35:16 GMT 1
I know the Reach is all about that Chivalry, but a foot melee might give a broader range of characters a chance to shine as lots of the jousting types have had a chance for this already. That said, I'm not the boss here! Can also see the argument for mounted combat - capturing Reach's chivalric ideal. Also, tinkering with melee design at the moment, anyone with ideas as to honorable (but tactically unwise) and dishonorable (but tactically opportunistic) acts that might be performed? And then utterly vicious heinous acts that only blackguards might find it in them to willingly perform. Is this the kind of thing you're after? Force/individual level tactical choices rather than actual hand-to-hand tricks? - Honourable - escort a wounded friend/foe to the sidelines. - Honourable - calling your moves: let an enemy force know you're about to attack it, giving up the element of surprise. - Honourable - challenge an opposing knight to a 1v1 duel, even when your force has him outnumbered. - Dishonourable - attack part of a team when it is already engaged with another team. - Dishonourable - wait in a corner when there's an opportunity to honourably engage an unengaged enemy force, hoping that two opposing forces tire each other out and you can pick off the weakened victor. - Heinous - pretending to be injured then striking at an opponent. - Heinous - attack someone escorting a wounded friend/foe to the sidelines.
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Post by Father on Nov 7, 2018 0:23:00 GMT 1
It's mounted combat, but aside from a grand opening of 250+ knights charging at each other at the same time, there won't be any lances involved.
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Post by Balon Blackbriar on Nov 7, 2018 0:33:08 GMT 1
I know the Reach is all about that Chivalry, but a foot melee might give a broader range of characters a chance to shine as lots of the jousting types have had a chance for this already. That said, I'm not the boss here! A middle ground perhaps. E.g. A person can use the maneuver lesser action but only to get the -1D fighting (w/ 2 DoS) or trigger LBF II. You wouldn't be able to move them but you'd put them in a disadvantageous position to do more damage or make it harder for them to hit you.
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Post by Father on Nov 7, 2018 14:32:15 GMT 1
I'm having a few issues with NPC pics not loading, hopefully it's just a temporary snag, otherwise I'll have to upload the affected ones from the backup again. But a few NPC pics will be missing from posts for the time being.
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Post by Roland Cordwayner on Nov 7, 2018 14:42:40 GMT 1
I'm having a few issues with NPC pics not loading, hopefully it's just a temporary snag, otherwise I'll have to upload the affected ones from the backup again. But a few NPC pics will be missing from posts for the time being. Production values already far ahead of home-spun charm of Dragon's Dance. Also - the Blackfyre lieutenant competition captures things nicely. I appreciate all the rolls are hard work, but it really helps drive home how inspiring he is supposed to be - he's got practically a whole melee team bidding to be his lieutenants. Fingers crossed for my cimpanion Ser Daeron getting one of those spots, and Ser Titus if he goes for it too.
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Post by Ashara Starkwood on Nov 7, 2018 15:42:24 GMT 1
*headslap* Sorry Roland. That boy needs to learn to keep his mouth shut. I'm having a few issues with NPC pics not loading, hopefully it's just a temporary snag, otherwise I'll have to upload the affected ones from the backup again. But a few NPC pics will be missing from posts for the time being. I can't say as I've noticed any missing. Also, I see them all on the Cast of 1000s page... wondering if maybe it's a display issue on your end? If you can point me to one in particular you see as missing I can verify whether or not I can see it.
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Post by Father on Nov 7, 2018 15:46:57 GMT 1
Ah, okay, then it's just some temporary hickup on my end.
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