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Post by Father on Feb 21, 2022 22:28:25 GMT 1
Davos
Davos gains the impression that Victaria mainly plays along with courtly expectations, strong of will, with an assertiveness that most men of The Reach, and even a great many in Dorne, particularly the Stony ones would find unseemly, but none would lift an eyebrow to her attitudes had she been born a Victor, the expectations of ladies to possess gentle humility does not apply to lords. Otherwise she is rather unremarkable though not particularly pleasant beneath the trained courtesies, rather too obviously interested in what others can do for her rather than having her mind set on mutual benefit, again not unlike quite a few lords and knights, but hardly an endearing trait in men either. There is perhaps also an unfriendly undertone caused by Starkwood overtures towards marrying her to Ser Aerion, talks that according to rumor disintegrated when it became clear that the great bastard had little interest in being her prized breeding bull.
So I think I'll break out some bits from vintage year into a thread like this, since I don't feel this developing into a big standalone scene, but possibly could clutter up event thread, so might throw similar spin-off snippets into here if they happen.
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Post by Davos Dayne on Feb 22, 2022 3:13:54 GMT 1
Davos was not overly put off by Victaria's lack of gentile humility, his own Alia had been much the same beneath her courtesies. On the other hand, Alia had a wit as sharp as her blade and more skill with both than many a Westerosi lord, which had made their early exchanges as exciting - and educationally painful - as crossing swords with his older brothers back in Starfall. He would never be so crass as to call Lady Victaria dull, but she certainly could not compare.
He did not take her frostiness or selfish attitude personally. A sellsword is rarely likes or is liked by their clients, but sooner or later those who do not make friends and allies come calling with favors and rewards for those that do not hold a grudge. Davos might no longer be a sellsword, but that does not mean he had become so much a fool as to insult a potential customer.
When he learned later about her prior experience with House Starkwood, he could not help but chuckle. It would be a rare young man that would be happy fulfilling the demeaning role that they had been raised to expect of women. Not for the first time, he was grateful that he had elder brothers enough that his parents had been reluctantly willing to let him find his own way across the Narrow Sea.
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Post by Father on Feb 23, 2022 16:39:33 GMT 1
Daeron
Lady Alicent? An alliance surely, but with which house? Of this Aemon's guess is as good as any other not privy to the plans of the fox, and he does not share his thoughts much. Daeron is just one knight, a formidable one with royal blood, but still just one knight, if Lady Lyanna wasn't so pretty, perhaps that might be an idea, but she, too, will likely find herself married to a lord soon enough.
Thaddeus
Who would want to project the desperation of having one's promiscuous half-Dornish bastard cousin try to put in a good word about him? Alena is as sharp of tongue as she is beautiful, but she does have a point, being known to have slept with at least two men to try to snare them into marriage, the first time she had succeeded to make Lord Willum set aside his previous bethrothal only to die in the riots at Highgarden.
Since his cousin clearly needs advice about women, go woo them and show the confidence that all the others lack, pay attention, show interest in who they are, not just in the political value of their womb.
Consulting members of own house is kinda a waste of stage 4 option, since can always chat on the road and such, so can use that effort on something else.
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Post by Daeron Wildfyre on Feb 23, 2022 23:47:40 GMT 1
DaeronLady Alicent? An alliance surely, but with which house? Of this Aemon's guess is as good as any other not privy to the plans of the fox, and he does not share his thoughts much. Daeron is just one knight, a formidable one with royal blood, but still just one knight, if Lady Lyanna wasn't so pretty, perhaps that might be an idea, but she, too, will likely find herself married to a lord soon enough. "Not to be indelicate, but do you think many houses will be offering up first sons to wed a lady who was dishonored in such a public fashion? With me, yes, he gains only a single knight, but a knight who replaces what he lost when you married my cousin, a strong arm, royal blood, and fearsome loyalty. Ser Patrek is a strong warrior, none can deny, but I think we can both agree that I would make deadlier champion for House Florent.As you said, Lady Lyanna is a great beauty and close enough to the main line that few lords could be offended if she was proposed to their sons to cement an alliance, but for one that's bound to a maidenhouse, Lady Alicent would be appropriate to ensnare knights wishing to attach themselves more solidly to a great house.I know that Lord Reynald has his own plans, but he must still value your insights. If you find yourselves discussing the matter, perhaps you could mention my name to him, brother. After all, I did the same for you when you were still wooing Lady Lysette."He emphasizes his final point with a wink, letting Ser Aemon know that his intents were friendly rather than coldly transactional.
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Post by Father on Feb 24, 2022 14:24:50 GMT 1
She remains Lord Florent's daughter, there will be enough who will look past her soiled state for the lure of an alliance and if Daeron underestimates Ser Patrek so, Aemon would think his cousin the favorite of winning a fight.
In any event, Lord Reynald has surely already made his considerations as to whom her hand is to be offered. But the question Daeron may have to ask himself is if what will he do if he binds himself to Brightwater Keep, and Lord Florent deems it best not to have any part in a rebellion at all, and hold all his knights away from battle.
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Post by Daeron Wildfyre on Mar 2, 2022 19:56:49 GMT 1
He couldn't hide his crestfallen face from his brother, of course Lord Florent would have a plan for her and there were enough second sons and landed knights who would gladly take a Florent bride, no matter her condition.
As for Ser Aemon's follow up question, Daeron had a stunned look on his face.
"I.. I had not considered the possibility that Lord Florent would not commit his knights. I was under the impression that he was an ally of Blackfyre in this regard. Have you heard differently?"
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Post by Father on Mar 3, 2022 16:32:31 GMT 1
The first thing to understand is that Blackfyre has no allies. Gormon Peake has allies, Jon Hightower had allies, some of which Melara now rallies, the Brackens has allies. To put it bluntly, he is merely the figurehead of a movement he did not start and did not ask for, though he does seem to have enough pride and vanity to do nothing to stop it even if he seems reluctant to embrace the cause that bears his name.
Lord Florent may have joined that alliance, but where Peake and Bittersteel has bound their fortunes to the mast of that ship and thus have no choice but to throw caution to the winds and sail for the eye of the storm, Lord Reynald's position both geographically and politically warrants patience once swords are drawn. Aemon thinks it unlikely that Brightwater Keep will do anything in the war that leads to punishment should the rebellion fail, nor will he risk to have his lands ravaged by neighboring loyalists. He will make sure that the war is fought outside of his domain, with as few of his own men killed or wounded as he can arrange for.
Lord Reynald's contributions will chiefly be to bring enough men and swords to die for the cause to secure victory, men and swords belonging to others than himself. The Florent swords will march with Highgarden most likely, and who knows if Lord Tyrell will find it in himself to declare against the king? He does seem to admire Blackfyre and think him far more suited for The Iron Throne than one who is more the maester fit to serve rather than the knight fit to lead. Neither perhaps, is well suited to governance.
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Post by Daeron Wildfyre on Mar 3, 2022 17:16:13 GMT 1
Brilliance or cowardice, I can't decide..
It wasn't the conversation that Daeron had hoped to engage Ser Aemon in, but it was enlightening nonetheless.
"You're right. None of us are following Blackfyre because we expect him to be a capable administrator of the realm, we do it because he's a good man who will make a strong ruler and sweep away the weakling that sits on the throne. That also means that he will need a Hand who is shrewd and sharp in equal measures, it would also help if that Hand wasn't hated by half of the kingdom. Our present king isn't likely to elevate any man who fits that description, he seems to prefer friendly, ineffectual men who haven't an ounce of ambition or enough bones in their back to stand upright. That and the men who murdered his namesake and Lord Leo's father in cold blood."
He pauses to give a flirty wink and wave at Lady Mariya Mullendore, apparently Lady Alicent had already passed out of his mind when there were women to woo who weren't locked away by Septas.
"As you said though, without Highgarden there's little chance that a rebellion will be successful, or even occur."
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Post by Father on Mar 4, 2022 10:56:11 GMT 1
If Lord Leo declares one way or the other, he will have to go to open war against his own banners, Aemon does not envy his position. In fact, he would not be surprised to see Highgarden take a very passive role for just that reason, even if his sympathies may lean heavily towards Blackfyre. The ravaging of the Riverlands, what transpired during his own tourney, Walgrave's ill conceived campaign in The Red Mountains and many other things besides are also likely to have diminished his appetites for war.
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Post by Daeron Wildfyre on Mar 17, 2022 3:26:44 GMT 1
"Wouldn't passivity cause him to face serious consequences regardless? No matter who wins he will be held in contempt by whichever king he didn't rally his banners for and the Reach will still see violence and bloodshed, but picking a side makes it less likely that House Peake or Rowan doesn't replace him as Warden of the South and Lord Paramount of the Reach.
The way I see it, Lord Tyrell is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't when it comes to picking a side, so he might as start thinking of whom he'd rather see atop the Iron Throne and how he'll get them there. Power often gives men more freedom, but in this case it seems like his immense power and status will force him to act against his will. At least in House Starling's case as a minor house, we can get away with neutrality if Lord Willem so chooses."
Although Daeron's words might have been a little bombastic, his face looked quite sad. He respected Lord Leo and was sympathetic towards him having to make a terribly impossible decision about which of his banners he would potentially have to destroy. Like Ser Aemon, he did not envy his position.
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Post by Father on Mar 19, 2022 13:11:44 GMT 1
Robyn
Falyse simply replies with "I did" to Robyn's inquiries about her receiving his letter, to him, her lack of interest in the subject might cut as bitterly cold as the swords of the others from the tales of the long night sometimes told around the hearths at Starkwood.
Daeron
It would be a cruel honor to set Goldegrove or Starpike above Oldtown and Hightower, one need only look at Lord Tully's armies to answer the question of why neither Blackwood or Bracken has ever taken him into consideration when they have an inkling to start the war to end all the wars between them. How many Lords Paramounts have been stripped of lands and titles since The Conquest? If Blackfyre ascends the throne, he can ill afford to punish those who fought for his half-brother, let alone those who did not fight at all. Promises will be made, of lands, restoration of old titles, but in the end, only that without an owner is likely to be granted. Likewise, if Blackfyre falls, King Daeron cannot be too heavy handed, if a man bends the knee, you must help him up, or else nobody else will bend the knee to you.
However, power and influence will shift, so those who fought for the right side will be given honors at the king's court, titles whose holders perished in the war can be handed out, the claimant to a seat who fought for the winning side is more likely to be favored. Perhaps the crown will be far less forgiving of any future transgressions by those who lost.
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Post by Father on Mar 28, 2022 18:44:54 GMT 1
For all her efforts, Lady Alena's schemes to ensnare herself a new lordly groom bears no fruit this day, Lord Appleton was certainly distracted by her neckline, any man who would not be so must surely be queer. But despite his somewhat depressed state after his tourney, he has enough sense of propriety to not dishonor her for the sake of his own pleasure, tempted thought he was. Many a lord would at least suspect the Levalle's to quickly discover what had transpired and try and pressure him to marry her, he however did not, many a lord would conclude that a bastard that had bedded more than one knight already, a lord included, and sleep with her anyway, knowing that the Levalle's may appeal to his sense of honor, but could not recruit their peers or the faith in such an endeavor. Whether Lord Addison could have been tricked if he had forgotten his holy duties as a knight and sinned, none can know. Chance TN 7 for Lord Appleton to be properly seduced: 2d6 5Well, that's no fun.
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Post by Thaddeus Levalle on Apr 14, 2022 17:25:01 GMT 1
If possible Thaddeus will strike up a conversation with Ser Abelar as able to remind the young bachelor knight of his sister, Lady Ellyn Levalle. Will update in the Vintage Event thread since the Lady Alena conversation was not needed/utilized.
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Post by Father on Apr 16, 2022 17:23:29 GMT 1
If Thaddeus didn't use his action that might let him have that chat yet, he could make the effort and we'd use this thread to figure out how it goes.
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