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Post by Mikel of Harroway on Jun 23, 2019 8:59:57 GMT 1
Mikel did not add to Parmen and Trystane's dialogue but listened carefully and appreciated that these two martial men did not want a chance to prove their prowess, at least not at the expense of the people of the realms. Seeing that they took the care of the small folk seriously, and how Parmen wished to honor his oath to protect them as best he could elevated each man in his eyes. More questions concerning Parmen's affiliation ran through his mind but instead of them his voice, he decided instead to take where the conversation was and try to add to it.
"Perhaps a show of unity could do the realms well. In example, Lord Eldon - I feel I need not list his deeds to drive the point home - is a bad man who preys on whomever he can. What if Knights who supported the King and those who supported his half brother came together for some common cause? What if they could bring a man like Lord Eldon to justice? A combined force of men arresting Lord Eldon and presenting him to the King for his justice. Now I do not mean it needs to be him, and whoever it is does not need to be brought before the King. But that band of men composed of men who support blood and who support fire, that they find somebody who needs justice, and receive the appropriate authority to exercise the arrest on behalf of the crown - before exercising it. That would be something, right?"
Even as he spoke he was turning the thought over in his head. The Lord of Whitewalls was hand of the King, and Mikel believed he was present. Perhaps with the right audience, and of course enough with enough reason, a royal order to bring such a man into custody could be officiated and men selected to carry out the deed - the right men - brought together to make it happen. |
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Post by Trystane Sand on Jun 23, 2019 23:18:46 GMT 1
"Hmm, your idea has merit, Ser, most of all in its guiding principle of unity against those who corrode the realm with misdeeds. But how to do so without subverting the laws we swear to uphold? A man who fights monsters must take care not to become a monster himself."
The irony of those words are not lost on Trystane, who has learned more of his own capacity for misdeeds and monstrousness than he would like to admit since coming to the Reach.
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Post by Mikel of Harroway on Jun 24, 2019 7:29:15 GMT 1
"It would be best if subversion had no part in it. Using Lord Merryweather once again as an example, the assault upon Lady Lysette by his man at Summerhall is something many people witnessed. Several of those who saw it happen would be considered good and credible witnesses. I am saying to find someone whose deeds are foul and breach our laws. Then bring as credible a case as possible to that person of royal office and ask that they be able to represent the crown and bring that individual to justice."
"Royal backing for a group of men, each with their own political leanings, to bring justice where justice has been absent." |
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Post by Trystane Sand on Jun 24, 2019 19:36:53 GMT 1
"But that was exactly what was done at Summerhall, and we saw for ourselves what the King did about it. Rennifer was not brought to justice. Quite the opposite. I dearly want to believe in the King's justice, my friend, but I fear he may not thank you for bringing such a case to him. It may not have the result you expect, sadly."
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Post by Mikel of Harroway on Jul 1, 2019 23:16:48 GMT 1
"Well, there are still options. Perhaps convince the culprits liege lord to enforce his duty and go forth with his authority supporting you. Or, if we did not wish to deviate from the idea of having a royal authority perhaps the hand of the king would be more available and more open to the idea? We are in his city anyways."
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Post by Parmen Redwyne on Jul 2, 2019 20:24:02 GMT 1
"I support the idea of a group of mixed Fire and Blood knights stepping forward to defend justice but Trystane is right, the example of Summerhall shows the limits of any plan that targets a Lord as powerful as Merryweather."
"What is another goal where we can demonstrate the possibilities posed by the two sides working towards a common objective? Something where we could achieve a quick success that could then be expanded upon with more difficult tasks?"
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Post by Mikel of Harroway on Jul 28, 2019 8:12:16 GMT 1
"That is the question." Mikel nodded while staring at his wine, taking his time with a drink before setting it back down and responding. "I am not sure I can produce a sensible answer just now. A simple question, surely, but to say something which can be done and have an effect? Three thoughts come to mind but I cannot speak them with the confidence I that I wish I could, please do not restrain your criticism of them. Firstly, there are incidents occurring which seem extremely likely to be connected to the war to come. However, they remain mysteries. The who and why has not been solved and so the offenders are still at large. My first idea is that perhaps a mixed group of supporters could investigate these incidents yet should give an oath that once the offenders are discovered, irregardless of whose camp they fall into, they must be brought to justice for their crimes."
"My second idea is to promote the idea which you have as a way of promoting peace. I imagine more Lords want peace instead of war, so perhaps if we presented them with a sensible solution, such as no rebellion and Ser Daemon taking a place upon the small council to act as his half brothers general, perhaps that idea will take hold and then those warmonger for their own reasons will find themselves alone with only each other for company as the rest of Westeros declares for a continued peace."
"Third, and unfortunately more of a reaction then a prevention, but perhaps we could promote the idea of a conduct where combat focuses solely upon the oppositions soldiers. An oath taken by Lords to resist the abuses of the small folk during the war, and that same oath stating when such events occur that everybodies priorities become finding those responsible."
The look on Mikel's face showed that he held no great faith in any of these ideas. But at least he was looking for solutions, maybe if they kept it up they would find one. |
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Post by Trystane Sand on Jul 30, 2019 2:06:33 GMT 1
"I certainly like the ideas of trying to limit abuses of power, protecting those most vulnerable, like the smallfolk, and seeking truth as a vital part of seeking justice - ensuring that justice is brought solely to the culpable as much as possible, limiting collateral damage. After all, if your cleansing fire is not focused correctly, you end up with only ashes," Trystane nods along with Mikel.
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Post by Mikel of Harroway on Aug 4, 2019 1:15:27 GMT 1
"Holy ashes..." Mikel echoes. "You know, its funny you say that. Wasnt that Septon Abelar hoping to raise the Faith Militant again? Id say no, theyd only create more problems in the long run. And the short run if were being honest. But what if instead of being the enforcing arm of the divine, they simply became the sworn protectors? Small bands of men sworn only to protect the innocent? Like Knights, but without the burden of secular duties and so they are able to focus on their only charge."
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Post by Trystane Sand on Aug 5, 2019 20:47:56 GMT 1
"An interesting notion. How would you organise and regulate such a thing? For it would need some kind of oversight to ensure it stuck to its remit and principles, but who to task - and indeed trust - with that responsibility when so many with the authority to lead lack the moral fortitude to do so."
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Post by Mikel of Harroway on Aug 8, 2019 1:49:38 GMT 1
"Perhaps allow Knights to take holy vows and service, but regulate their command to the local Septon? I imagine thats as safe as it could be made to keep from politics and also the septons tend to know the needs of a village and septs can act as shelter in times of need."
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Post by Mikel of Harroway on Sept 13, 2019 21:42:28 GMT 1
The conversation went on into the evening and then past the setting of the sun. Mikel found great value in the conversation because of how honest each man had been willing to be in their true thoughts and their willingness to explain them. Their differences, low birth, high birth, born Westerosi and Dornish, did show in the conversation but their similarities showed more. There had been hot moments, of course, but they were not in vain and led to a deeper understanding for those willing to try and understand. Mikel expressed his gratitude to the men for coming and their willingness to share, saying how highly he regarded their conversation here.
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