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Post by Ser Donnel Blackbriar on Aug 2, 2018 0:39:39 GMT 1
After almost being hammered by a ham, Ser Donnel is not feeling too confident as he rides Stormy back towards the camp. He engages his fellow hunters amiably, but when he sees locks of long platina-blonde hair, he excuses himself, and rides over to the young widow.
"How is the hunting? Any luck with the bow?"
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Post by Laena Pyre on Aug 2, 2018 1:04:42 GMT 1
Laena is startled out of her thoughts when Ser Donnel catches up with her, though she does her best to hide the fact that this large, stealthless man has somehow accomplished that action twice now. "Ser Donnel." she nods in greeting. "It went well, indeed." she responds dryly. "I spared the forest from the reign of terror of quite a number of trees, a fair few ferns, and quite a bit of moss felt my wrath as well. I expect to be toasted as the 'Scourge of the Rosewood' tonight.
"How about your own hunt?"
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Post by Ser Donnel Blackbriar on Aug 2, 2018 1:30:20 GMT 1
"Haha, fell the forest and the animals will soon follow! Your foresight is impressive!" Ser Donnel continues the joke in mock adulation.
"I felled a large boar, but I must admit it was a closer call than I prefer." Ser Donnel admits. "I was too caught up in my own pondering, and he caught me almost completely flat footed! A heavy head leads to heavy feet, as my father was wont to say!"
"I imagine a few thoughts are going through your head as well?"
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Post by Laena Pyre on Aug 2, 2018 2:15:33 GMT 1
She nods. "A few. Regrets, second-guessing myself. Thinking back on what I did, and trying to figure out where I went wrong, and what I should have done differently." She gently snorts. "Of course, what I *really* should have done differently was practice with a bow more. But that kind of activity isn't really ... me." she examines her right hand, rubbing the tips of her fingers with her thumb. "When I place my hand in my next husband's, my hand should be as soft and gentle as his is rough and calloused." She looks up. "A woman having callouses feels as wrong to me as a man *not* having them, for all that bow-work is supposed to be acceptable."
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Post by Ser Donnel Blackbriar on Aug 2, 2018 3:22:36 GMT 1
"A working woman is a sign of a weak husband indeed. I am wondering if that should apply to matters of socialisation too..."
Ser Donnel considers for a moment before continuing: "I must admit that I feel like I have been insufficient in assisting the management of the land, for my wife has grown callous in her own way..."
"And with my friend Lord Bryce leaving his lordship, I feel like a certain presedence has been set in that regard. Perhaps it would do to follow his example?" Ser Donnel looks haggard, despite the large armor encompassing him.
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Post by Laena Pyre on Aug 2, 2018 14:33:07 GMT 1
Laena considers for a moment, before shaking her head. "You know what the result of Lord Bryce leaving his lordship is? Ser Farman is conspiring with Bittersteel to overthrow Ser Desmond. If you leave your house, you are leaving your brother, goodsister and nephew unprotected. I don't wish to cast aspersions on your eldest son, but judging by his recent actions, I suspect someone - probably a bastard - has sunk their claws into him to use him as their puppet. And there are bastards around who will stop at nothing to flip the loyalty of a house." She lets him put the pieces together himself, so she doesn't say anything he may consider an insult.
"When your children were growing up, say they stole some strawberries. Presumably you'd punish them, else you are effectively condoning their actions, which would only encourage them to steal more in the future, growing up rotten. You love them, but punishing them for bad behaviour does not negate the love, rather by firm action, you are demonstrating the strength of your love - willing to bear the discomfort of punishing someone you love, in service of their development.
"So too is it with wives. In the early days of my marriage, I was ... wilful, and one time I overstepped my bounds. Ser Vernan had me locked in an empty room as punishment. When he arrived, after not even half a day, I was on my knees begging forgiveness. But here is the thing to keep in mind: I didn't blame him for my imprisonment, I blamed *myself*. Being a rational adult, I recognised my punishment as a consequence of *my* actions. My husband was merely an instrument of justice. Had he not been willing to oppose me - me, with my blood of kings, versus him, a mere landed knight - I would undoubtedly have grown to be a rotten wife. Instead, my respect for him grew." she pauses before continuing with a small smile, "Not that I ever told him that, of course."
"Since you have been ... allowing your wife to rot for so long, at least if rumours as to her actions are to be believed, I doubt the cure will be so quickly applied in your case. So, it comes down to will. How much do you love your wife, brother, goodsister, and nephew, against how much pain can you take due to you inflicting misery on someone you love, albeit with their best interests at heart?"
She shrugs. "Or, of course, you can do as you suggest, and run away from battle, allowing those closest to you to shoulder the consequences."
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Post by Ser Donnel Blackbriar on Aug 4, 2018 0:00:26 GMT 1
Ser Donnel seems angry at first, already spurring his horse slightly too heavily, but his anger is quickly replaced by more reasonable deliberation. "I have dealt with my wife for years, to mistake hardness for strength is ill considered. The few words she speaks that may be... unladylike, is of little concern to me. She holds little power, I am just afraid I allowed her a bit too much freedom. If you allow a lamb to stray too far, the wolves will quickly consume it..." Ser Donnel has held his voice neutral for this part, but then he lowers his voice.
"My concern is more for my son... He is a man, so he must have that freedom. A wolf cannot live with the sheep, or it will grow fat and lethargic... I want him to move on without moving into the halls of the father... As a mother I am sure you will see how hard it is to give your children freedom, discipline and safety all at once!"
It certainly feels good to confess to somebody more... conversational than Abelar. Ser Donnel thinks to himself, as he tries to avoid to meet the eyes of the woman next to him.
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Post by Laena Pyre on Aug 4, 2018 1:40:44 GMT 1
Laena puzzles over Ser Donnel's metaphor for a few moments, before realising that in his analogy, his wife is the lamb, rather than the wolf as she had naturally assumed. Still, she doesn't pursue the point, feeling she's already pushed him enough, and allows the subject to switch to his son, giving the matter a good few moments' thought before answering. "Fortunately, my children are still young enough that reasonable freedoms do not infringe on the other two overmuch, though I do admit that I have worried over their futures, so I am indeed sympathetic to your situation."
She carries on for a few steps before continuing in a musing tone. "While much depends on the result of tomorrow's challenge, perhaps someone should ask Ser Quentyn Ball what he thinks of his former squire's actions, since they reflect on him as well. While obviously he wouldn't be upset over an ally of the king being embarrassed, there are ways to advance your political objectives without sacrificing your morality in such a flagrant and public manner. After all, unless your son has become a true monster, Ser Walton Wyl will still live come the end of tomorrow, while the damage your son has already done to the reputation of the cause he claims to champion will live on, the lies he told as plausible as those about the women fighting naked in Dornish tournaments though what they *do* do is perverse enough. A few more acts like that, and the Blackfyre cause will be seen as having the same moral standing as .. House Levalle." She sighs. "Though, assuming your son has told him of your political sympathies, you are perhaps not the best choice to approach him.
"Failing that, I do have an alternative idea, though it depends on your son having any sense of shame over his actions, another's willingness to take a risk on his behalf, and my willingness to obligate myself to that other for his sake. And even then, it may not actually work. So, it is far from certain."
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Post by Ser Donnel Blackbriar on Aug 4, 2018 10:33:28 GMT 1
"My son will win the challenge." There is no alternative in Ser Donnels mind. "Quents has always been single minded, ever since I squired for his father. He is a good man, but I would not think he has anything other than the embarrasment of the man who took his position in mind. The circumstances around the embarrasment be damned." Ser Donnel chuckles before he explains: "I remember when we were training for the joust in our younger days. I was beating him narrowly, having unseated him in six tilts to his four. Then, when he sensed I was about to win the seventh round, he moved his horse into the board where we kept track of our scores, scattering the pieces. Then when I started to set it up with six to four, he exclaimed that I had fell from the saddle more than he had, and that the score was six to three in his favor. When I dissagreed he left the tilting area, and to this day, he claims I cheated."
"I can always see Quents, but I do not see the purpose. As long as he gets a kingsguard position, he will be happy. That is all anybody needs to know." Ser Donnel, as always, have an anecdote to prove his point: "His mom used to say that he had the will of two mules, but only the wits off one. If he only walks backwards, you just turn him, so he walks backward the right way."
"That is a lot of eventualities." And too much for a mind like yours to handle. The vicious voice in his head tells him. "Perhaps you could tell me what my part will be? I can guarantee that it will not be anything lacked in my willingness.
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Post by Laena Pyre on Aug 4, 2018 14:23:30 GMT 1
"I was more considering the possible consequences of interference, from others on either side. Or both." She shrugs. "No point worrying about it until it happens." When he describes Ser Quentyn's behaviour, she growls, and starts quietly ranting to herself. " Is it too much to ask that the side claiming to defend chivalry actually act chivalrous? At least in public? Behind closed doors, anything goes, of course - I'm not naive. But when the public justification for your actions is the damage being done to chivalric institutions, it rather undermines your argument when you flagrantly act in an unchivalric manner, and none step up to stop you." She growls again, before shaking her head back into focusing on Ser Donnel, giving him an embarrassed smile. "Sorry. So, it looks like we're relying on my alternate plan." She sighs. "In short, it involves him becoming a sworn sword for a house with very strong chivalric traditions, who emphasise honour in their training. I do not wish to name them, because it is a big ask for them to take him on after what he's done, even should he be willing to lower his head and admit he has strayed, and I do not wish to create a bone of contention between you should they say 'no'. However, if anywhere can get him back onto an honest path, it would be there, and I do have some options available to me which may help smooth the way. "A knight's actions reflect on his house. As things are, I suspect worse things in the future. If I manage to pull this off - and I freely admit, it's more likely to fail than succeed - I want your house to owe me, for the future embarrassment I saved you, as well as you personally, for giving your son the best chance he'll get for redemption." She shrugs. "But if I fail, I've just wasted a bunch of time, and you owe me nothing." She thinks for a moment. "Aside from agreeing to that, the only role I think you may need to play would be if the lord needs a final push from a fellow knight to accept him. But hopefully it won't come to that. "Apologies if my words come across as rather mercenary, but this is really a House Blackbriar matter. My time at this tourney is limited, and I have my own objectives to accomplish, which this would take time and resources away from. I need at least a possibility of getting more resources in return for this course of action to make sense for me."
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Post by Ser Donnel Blackbriar on Aug 4, 2018 16:31:06 GMT 1
Ser Donnel cocks his head to the side at Laenas animalistic behaviour, but when she asks for forgiveness, ser Donnel quickly interjects. "None needed." When she continues, however, Ser Donnel sours. "I will need to know which house we are talking about before I'll consider sending my son to them. I do not carry grudges lightly, but I do not let my son leave lightly either. I do not need to know who you talk to inside the house, but I will know the name of the house."
"You can have my favor, for anything within reason. Even of a larger magnitude than the time you spend here. However, what sort of favor would you ask of our house? Please understand my hesitancy to make any promises from Blackbriar. But as with grudges, I do not carry favors lightly." Ser Donnel seems tentative to promise much for his house, but his interest is certainly piqued.
"I do not begrudge you for honesty, tell me what you wish for, and I can name more surely if we can pay the price."
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Post by Laena Pyre on Aug 4, 2018 16:53:17 GMT 1
She purses her lips for a few moments before sighing. "Fair. The house I have in mind is House Starling. To my knowledge, an honourable house, with strong traditions. Having membership of the Companions so close, likely dependent on his behaviour, along with the discipline and chivalric training the house is known for should hopefully overcome your son's stubbornness. Again: they may well say 'no', and I do not wish to provoke animosity by putting them into a position where you feel they've slighted your son if they do, so please understand that, if they do say 'no', it could well be for other, internal, reasons.
"As for the favour, I don't know exactly what I would ask. Though it is likely that it will have *something* to do with my objective of remarriage. But it is entirely possible that what I ask from you is simply so I may get a favour from someone else in a better position to help me. By building a network of favours, I am simply trying my best to ensure that, when an opportunity arises, I have the resources required to seize it."
She frowns for a few moments, as a thought occurs to her. "Although ... you did describe Lord Bryce as your friend. At the moment, I am trying my best to reignite his love of life. For you in particular, I am likely to require your help at some stage with that. I trust that you would find such a task agreeable?"
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Post by Ser Donnel Blackbriar on Aug 4, 2018 17:35:30 GMT 1
Ser Donnel quests for a look at Laenas face. He then sights: "I do not suppose you help Brycie either out of the goodness of your heart? No matter... I won't let you waste your favor on something I would already willingly do. Bryce will become the foundation of Bridges once again. By our hand" Ser Donnel chuckles at his own wordplay, and winks at Leana. "And you will get your favor in finding a husband. As long as you are half as doggedly in marital affairs as you are in finding a man to wed, I will recomend you wholeheartedly."
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Post by Laena Pyre on Aug 4, 2018 18:28:28 GMT 1
She nods. "I would be grateful for your assistance. Naturally, don't hesitate to reach out to me should you see an opportunity requiring my skills." diplomatically glossing over answering his question as to her motivations. "And, if you believe nothing else about me, Ser Donnel, believe that I am wholehearted in everything I do."
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Post by Ser Donnel Blackbriar on Aug 4, 2018 18:39:21 GMT 1
"Then I expect you to succeed, regardless of how you downplay your chances." Ser Donnel compliments before excusing himself: "I wish you a good day, but I should return to the main hunting party, would do little good me helping you find a husband if rumours starts around the two of us." As he rides away, ser Donnel finally relaxes his shoulders. Hope, no matter how weak, keeps men fighting.
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