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Post by Father on Jul 8, 2018 21:13:54 GMT 1
Lord Marq Durwell noticed Laena readily enough. Giving her one of his signature sidelong glances, he seems to see right through her intentions and turns back to Lord Appleton to finish their short conversation without breaking much stride, or indeed, even alerting him much to the distraction. He makes his way towards Laena, only to suddenly veer off to shake hands with the Stormbreaker, clearly the two have met at the lists before, though his main objective appears to be an introduction to Ser Lyonel. He seems to know better than to take up too much of the time that the heir to Storm's End have, this is hardly the occasion for lengthy conversations. He seems to have decided to only make that one stop on his way to Laena when Ser Willas Tyrell blocks his path to introduce him to his sister, and Laena can spy at least one lady that stops in her tracks, figuring that if Amerei Tyrell is her rival, she might as well try someone else. He turns on the same manners and charm that he showered upon Laena the evening before, and judging by Amerei, it works much better on the younger and less experienced lady. She does not keep him too long, or at least according to custom. Finally he reaches Laena. "My Lady wants to play hide and seek, I see?" He smiles in greeting, it feels as if it means more to him than the same smile he gave to Amerei, but it looks exactly the same, and she likely felt as if she were the only woman in his world. "They said that some Gardener King, one of the Merns I think, had the briar labyrinth grown for just that purpose."If Intrigue: Intrigue Iniative: 8d6k5 26Intrigue Defense: 16 (+1 per DoS on his test below). Composure: 15 DR: 3 Free action: Deception(act): 8d6k5 25He is probably too strong to take head-on in intrigue.
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Post by Laena Pyre on Jul 9, 2018 2:07:58 GMT 1
[No intrigue just yet.]
"Given how it used nowadays, I doubt that was its only designed purpose, though plenty of men seek to hide a particular thing in its many dark corners." she gives a smirk. "A game I've no doubt you're quite skilled at."
She takes a deep breath. Pauses just a moment too long looking down, before finally looking straight at the lord. "I need your help, if you would be willing." She swallows before continuing.
"I've spent too long in isolation. I know reputations, but not *people*. When I decided to speak with you, I expected a pretty face, a skilled tongue, but not much besides. A good warm-up for my skills. I could not have been more wrong." a small smile. "If only it were always so pleasant to be wrong.
"Most people in such a circumstance could turn to those near them for the information they need. Unfortunately, those near me suffer universally from being good people. It is a tragic affliction, frequently fatal in troubled times, with no reliable cure. And with troubled times ahead, they are not sources I can afford to rely on, nor can I rely on simply stumbling around blind.
"Unless I have misread you, you live and breathe The Game. You see things how they truly are, not how you believe they should be. You collect the levers to move people as a matter of habit. You don't have 'trusted friends', you have 'useful tools'." She takes a breath. "You're like me. Except that you haven't spent the last five years distanced from everything."
She looks up at him, eyes wide and vulnerable. "So, I believe you can help me. Will you? Please?"
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Post by Father on Jul 9, 2018 9:30:19 GMT 1
"I have friends, my lady, some I trust, others I do not, mostly because they are fallible as everyone are, only particularly more so than most." Marq patiently hears her out. "I am friendly towards a great many others, everyone I meet, in fact."
"The key question, my lady, is what a man wants and what a man needs, or a woman in half the cases, the two are not the same thing. Without knowing those two things, one could be the greatest manipulator of the behavior of men in all the realms, but all you ever do is make them dance in the same circle over and over again for the purpose of dancing, certainly amusing for a time, though you live a petty and shallow life if all their jumping around today does not improve your tomorrow."
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Post by Laena Pyre on Jul 9, 2018 15:00:09 GMT 1
She nods in acknowledgement of his point, simple truth as it is. "I do not have time to waste on petty dances. I am already over twenty.
"Dancing with you is enthralling, but I'm not delusional. I have ties to two houses - one barely knows I exist, the other, the Reach barely knows exists. And if they do, there's a good chance it's solely due to hatred of the heir's skin. And who you are as a person doesn't really matter in marriage, it's all about the power gained through those links."
She lets out a sigh of breath. "Telling you this is hard. It's cutting through all the layers and layers of deceptions I cloak myself in, including Laena the Dragon - I like her, she's fun and interesting, right down to the core of a scared little girl crying out into the cold, uncaring void for her parents.
"But, I need to give you the tools to manipulate me in order that you might help me. Which requires that I ... trust you. When my entire life has taught me that to trust someone is to invite betrayal. Something to cultivate in those around you, but never give out yourself. Players will betray for advantage, pawns will betray unwittingly out of weakness."
She sniffs, and draws herself up. "This is pathetic. *I* asked *you* for help. I should be ready to tell you what you need to know, not beat about the bush like this." She looks up at him again. "How do *you* do it? You say you trust some friends." She clearly flounders momentarily, before finally articulating "How?".
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Post by Father on Jul 9, 2018 16:49:38 GMT 1
"Painful experiences of betrayal and joyful surprises of honor, my lady." Marq smiles "Experience is the best teacher there ever is, though if I know what a man wants, I know not only how to make him do what I would like him to, I also know how others might make him do what I would not like him to. If I know what a man needs, I know how to ensure that when they try, he will not want to break the bonds of loyalty."
"But most men are simple creatures, with simple wants and simple needs, they want food, bed, roof, wife, children, which also happens to be everything they need. Lords are not men, with so many wants and so unclear needs that trusting them is very difficult. And even if you can trust a man to not knowingly betray you, he might still be made unwittingly give up his secrets. One should never trust blindly, but the man who risks nothing will find himself with just about what he started with."
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Post by Laena Pyre on Jul 9, 2018 18:36:52 GMT 1
Laena gives a small sniffle and a nod at that last line. That struck her as all-too-true. "At least with you I can trust that any betrayal would be an artful thing of beauty, rather than petty vindictiveness. I do not see you as a petty man, at all."
She swallows before continuing. "My mother was the King's rape-toy, and I reminded her of him every day with my hair. Lady Allyria and Lord Ulbert benignly tolerate each other, though the former barely acknowledges my existence, and the latter ... he'd honour any deal involving my marriage, in both letter and spirit. But were I to have a small piece of my body cut off and sent to him every day he refused to go along with a proposal he didn't like, he would not only not bend, he likely wouldn't even shed a tear." She takes a deep breath. "Even Ser Vernan, it became clear after the birth of Landar, valued me only as a womb with pretty packaging. Oh, he attended his duties, but really, I could have been anyone."
She clenches her fists. "Over time, what was originally my sanctuary became a prison. Suffocating. Unchanging. I was to manage the household? What was to be done? Well, the same as yesterday, and the day before. Just as will be required tomorrow and the day after. If it weren't for my children, I would have thrown myself off the tower, just to finally experience something new. Different." A small smile. "My children saved me. Unpredictable, constantly changing. Always new. Ever different."
She huffs quietly. "I don't want to be like Lady Johanna Meadows, taking a man's role. Nor do I want to be like Lady Maegelle Cordwayner, carrying her husband's balls publicly in a box, maybe let out twice a year for good behaviour. But nor do I want to be powerless as I watch screaming as my husband's blind faith in unreciprocated honour leads him and the house off a cliff.
"I want to be doing well enough that I can receive gifts from my husband. Not daily, or even weekly, just occasionally, to celebrate something. An exotic dish from the market. A new shawl. Maybe an occasional trip. *Something*. And I'd like to be able to give similarly in return.
"When a decision is to be made, I want him to turn to *me* first. And he should consider what I have to say. He doesn't have to agree, though he certainly should in a crisis, and he can and should certainly consult others. But I want to be the one he turns to first.
"I don't want someone who's constantly 'Grump, grump. Cold gruel three times a day breeds character. Fun is a luxury, and luxuries breed weakness. Grump, grump.'. But nor someone with no sense of restraint or self-control."
She clenches her fists, and, without turning, thumps the wall behind her with the base of her fist. "Put it all out there, and it's just this impossible list. A young maiden from a good house would be lucky to achieve that, and this is my second time on the market, clearly no maiden. It doesn't matter how I'd be an amazing asset to the house as a person. Give me a task, and I'll commit to it, utterly. No. My house and prior marriage close too many doors.
"But here I am. Today, I am to offer my favour to a man. I'm at an age where I cannot really afford to wait overlong." She gestures helplessly. "'Live a life that will shake the heavens?' I fear it's far more likely I'll barely shake the ground when I kill myself from sheer tedium while others froth at the mouth over who sits on a pointy chair."
She unclenches her fists with a sigh. "I'm sorry. That was very chaotic and disorganised. And I probably said both too much and too little." She clearly struggles for words for a few moments, before continuing in a small voice. "Help. Please."
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Post by Father on Jul 9, 2018 20:18:05 GMT 1
Lord Durwell listens intently to everything she has to say, seemingly without judging. "That rules out just about nine out of ten men. And even then I am probably unkind to the standards my lady deserves to chose from."
"Though I cannot help but wonder, all this talk of a husband. Is that something that my lady needs? Or something that she simply wants? Things would be considerably easier if he were unnecessary for happiness, though I have frequently observed that marriage and children makes people happy, unless it is an unhappy one."
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Post by Laena Pyre on Jul 9, 2018 20:45:40 GMT 1
There's a few second's silence after he asks his question, Laena clearly caught off-guard by the question, and taking it seriously as she closes her eyes to think.
Finally, she opens them again, and answers. "I *need* to leave Starkwood lands. I can't handle living there for years on end. I only barely managed to cope this last year. Children ... I'd want, but if there were other things to occupy me, I could probably do without any more. What I *need* is the stimulation. The new. The challenge."
She looks up at him. "Did you have a specific idea in mind? I must admit, I've been rather blinded by the objective of marriage to consider alternatives." She's clearly cautious - not willing to throw out the entire idea of marriage just yet, but at least willing to consider alternatives.
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Post by Father on Jul 11, 2018 13:34:03 GMT 1
"I could think of a few options best not mentioned in front of a sept, my lady." Marq seems to enjoy thinking about those. "As far as husbands goes, I should think one with the will to not be a puppet, but with the wits to seek good advice would be the more preferable. It occurs to me that the lady might soon grow bored of any man not having ample quantity of both those things, and on top of that, I imagine that he must have ambitions." He pauses to think. "It would make for a short list of eligible lords and their heirs, I think, though one that could be extended if my lady finds it tolerable to widen her search to include such men that would merely give her access to the lord they serve."
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Post by Laena Pyre on Jul 11, 2018 18:28:22 GMT 1
Laena gives a bitter snort of amusement at his first comment, before carefully listening to the rest of his answer, a brief flicker of a smile crossing her face when he mentions 'ambition'. When he is finished, she nods slowly. "Your words carry truth. Let us include those who merely give access to the Lord - I am confident I can handle such a handicap. Who, then, do you suggest meets those criteria, while still being someone I can reasonably hope for, with my familial connections being as they are?"
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Post by Father on Jul 12, 2018 0:04:47 GMT 1
"I am sad to report that I have seen fit to grant my two younger brothers holdfasts and towers on my northern borders to hold in my name, and I found them the most beautiful wives. And since Laena no doubt would have noticed if any beautiful ladies of import had been married off to Durwells, they must be of lesser noble stock. Either the man did not wish for his brothers to plot against him, or he simply wanted to give them honors and happiness where any mistakes they made would do him little harm. The way he talks about it suggests that the latter is indeed the case. Notably, the place at his own side seems not to be on offer. "When it comes to interesting times, there are always the Florents of course, always Florents, you have your half-brother at Brightwater Keep, Ser Aemon, him I like. Ser Patrek is a knight of high renown, but his is the mind of a soldier, of great use to his house, for your desires, not so much."
"The Levalle's, the Florent bannermen more dubious than the Florents themselves. It would be remiss of me not to mention those. Ser Aladale is man to be careful around, he came snooping around my camp yesterday, looking for answers to a question nobody else cared to ask before today, my lady might consider him? Assuming he ever cares to get married, though he seems not the type to consider himself beholden to the mother of his lovechild. And young Ser Thaddeus holds promise, if my lady is willing to accept a husband with such a soft physique, the sort that I am often drawn against in the first round and given subtle hints from the tourney master to grant them a gentle but honorable exit. Whenever I am unable to provide the crowd the spectacle of a duel for a lady's favor, that is."
"Given the age of his father, Ser Abelar Hightower is likely to have to serve as regent to his nephew, a role he is being groomed for, the man himself is, however, as the lady might put it in a word, boring."
"If my lady could look past his less endearing qualities, Lord Eldon might be worth a look, though I cannot find it in me to suggest a course leading to my lady desiring to become twice widowed, though then she has the chance to be so thrice, I have not heard of a lady so unfortunate, though King Maegor managed to outlive four wives."
"Ser Sebaston Rowan has his wits about him, his ambitions I know less of, though according to what I hear, his mind is set upon the Lady Lysette, if so his ambitions ought to be in fine health, and the competition my lady faces very high."
"House Bridges could be fun, truly, the Lady Ysilla has the most delightful character, such unshackled imagination and the courage to do as she pleases with it. It is simply impossible to find oneself bored in her company, her brother Ser Farman is certainly ambitious, but it is Ser Desmond that has been designated as the regent and heir in all but name, and he is as rigid a man as my lady ever will find, I think it unlikely that Ser Farman will ever find himself on his cousin's counsel. Although there is Lord Bryce, he may be old, but he should have enough life in him for a few more children, one of which a young lady Bridges could expect to spend ten years or so as regent for, and I truly liked the man before grief brought him low, we are many who would rejoice if someone could bring the spark of life back in his eyes."
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Post by Laena Pyre on Jul 12, 2018 2:27:18 GMT 1
"Ser Aemon? He may be natural-born, but he's both attractive and chivalrous, as well as House Florent being a significant house. Rumour says he has his pick of lord's daughters lined up ready and waiting. While I am no defeatist, you honestly believe that he is any more achievable from my position than you are?
She silently wrinkles her nose at the thought of the Levalles. Even widowed bastards have standards. Still, if Lord Marq is going to place bait *that* obviously, it would be rude to just ignore it. "So, if it is not a secret - and if the Levalle's know, then clearly it isn't any more - what was it he was asking about, may I ask?"
As soon as Ser Abelar Hightower is decribed as 'boring', a small, quiet grunt is the only external indicator of his name being cast aside.
She remains carefully stoic as he suggests Lord Eldon, successfully holding back the urge to vomit.
Her looks turns calculating as he suggests Ser Sebaston Rowan, seemingly unconcerned over the possibility of competition. She gives a thoughtful nod, but says nothing.
Near the end of his description of the Bridges', something definitely catches her attention. "Many would rejoice?" She strokes her chin in thought. "I must admit, I had overlooked him before. But *reminding* a man how to have fun and enjoy life seems like a much more worthwhile and enjoyable endeavour than having to explain the concept from first principles to his grandnephew. And, well-intentioned as he is, Ser Desmond seems to swing too far towards the rigid, while Ser Farman swings too far to the wild. Perhaps, were I to attempt such, I could help the house achieve a happy medium." She frowns. "Of course, were I to give him my favour, I would be sacrificing any real hope of achieving much prestige. But maybe that would be worthwhile. It does sound like ... an interesting project. And yes, I am not blind to the beneficial side-effects, either."
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Post by Father on Jul 12, 2018 3:06:38 GMT 1
"Who knows what governs a man's heart? Ser Aemon can chose in accordance with his heart's desire, there is no grand alliance to be formed, though should he wish to marry himself to a lordship, then my lady finds herself in a disadvantageous position, but if not, perhaps he wants a woman that can think on her own rather than one of those colorful birds said to live on the Summer Islands that may learn to repeat words spoken to them without appearing to understand any of them."
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Post by Laena Pyre on Jul 12, 2018 3:14:56 GMT 1
Laena gives a quick burst of laughter at his words. "Thank you. I feel I needed that."
She gives him a deeply respectful curtsey. "Thank you, Lord Marq. You have given me the guidance I needed. If things do not go well, then perhaps - perhaps! - we will speak again of alternatives. But if things do go well, I will remember your help today, and I will be sure my husband knows who is to thank for his good fortune."
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Post by Father on Jul 12, 2018 15:33:34 GMT 1
"It is my great pleasure, Lady Laena" Marq smiles back at her. "I have this notion that if I help those in need as well as I am able, the chances of myself receiving crucial assistance or goodwill in a moment of need goes up. Also, more importantly, I like it."
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