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Post by Ashara Starkwood on Nov 12, 2018 22:36:00 GMT 1
Ashara blushes in embarrassment and pulls her hand back. "I didn't know. I'm sorry for being so tactless. I..." She is momentarily speechless, before pulling herself back together. "I had heard that your mother was an advocate for Blackfyre's cause, but I did not realize that you were so closely related." She pauses. "My grandfather sold my aunt to the Unworthy - ruined her, broke her mind - and intended to do the same with my cousin, the king's own daughter, as soon as she was old enough. If he were still alive our house might be as reviled as House Levalle. However, my father has worked tirelessly to redeem our reputation. He did not follow my grandfather into depravity for the sake of ambition... for which I am quite grateful, or I might have found myself betrothed - or just given as a plaything, as my aunt was - to Lord Eldon or another of his ilk." She shudders at the thought. While her grandfather may have been the most powerful Starkwood in memory, seated on the Unworthy's small council, he is certainly not the pride of the family. "Our family, our teachers, they influence who we are but we choose. King Daeron chose to be different than his father. My father chose to be different than my grandfather. Your brother chose to be different than his father." She looks down briefly, then raises her eyes up to meet his gaze. "You can choose to be like your father, like Ser Roland, or you can choose to be like Lord Gormon, or like your brother." She sighs. "No man is all good or all ill; to my cousin my grandfather was a monster, what little of him that I remember was as a kind old man. Neither of us are wrong, he had both aspects to him. I never saw him act the monster, but that doesn't mean he wasn't one. I do not know Lord Gormon personally, so I have no bearing to judge what kind of person he is. However, even good men do ill deeds. Even Ser Roland shaved his head in penitence, and was wearing a hair shirt at the dance. If Butterbumps is to be believed - a dubious source at best, but don't tell him I said that - even your own Septon Abelar has had impure thoughts." She puts her hand on Titus arm again, gripping it firmly. "I believe you are a good man." Whatever that means."As good as your father or Ser Roland." She pauses, and withdraws her hand again, but does not break eye contact. "Or perhaps I should say that you can be a good man. It is your choice." D9 WW R4 Influence Persuasion(convince) +1D RT: 5d6 20 vs ID 11, 2 DoS (so close!) 4 Influence per DoS, so 8-3 = 5 composure lost. ID 11 DR 4 Composure 3/12 Frustration 0 Bonus dice remaining from Free Action: 0
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Post by Titus Blackbriar on Nov 14, 2018 12:04:48 GMT 1
"Family... faith... allegiances and oaths... friendships, love... duty, honour, glory..."
His gaze falls to where her hand just was. "They all seem to drag you in a thousand different directions. A steed tied to each part of you, pulling wildly to drag you asunder." He meets her eyes again "Tell me... what does a good man do?"
ID: 11 DR: 3 Composure: 6/11 Frustration: 0 Wolf Wounded - R4 Influence (Charm): 6d6k4+3 26 - 4 DoS (goddamn thats like one of my best rolls all tournament???)3 x 4 = 12 - 4 = 8 Influence dealt
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Post by Ashara Starkwood on Nov 14, 2018 17:27:17 GMT 1
The problems of privilege - 'I have choices, how horrible!'. Just like Lysette - 'Woe is me, I don't have to worry about being sold off to some stranger, but choosing is so hard!' Pathetic."Being a good man - no, being a competent adult - means navigating such. First and foremost, glory is a lie. Take what comes to you but do not seek it - that is the road to a quick death on some castle's battlements. Leave that for the fools, don't be one. Honor is not quite as bad, but cling too tightly to it and sooner or later you will find yourself in a situation where doing what is honorable is not what is right - and may even end in your dishonor. Honor is good, but must be tempered with pragmatism. The opposite is also true - pragmatism untempered by honor is the road to evil. For the rest, if there is a conflict, someone is wrong - try to figure out who. Know who you are, and hold true to that. The Seven made you, your parents and teachers shaped you, but ultimately you are you. In the end, you are what you do, so you either hold true to yourself or you betray yourself." I hope you decide properly. For both our sake."Your family is divided; you must choose a side. That does not mean abandoning the others, but hope they see the error of their ways - and if you can, help them to realize and correct those errors. The same is true for allegiances, oaths, duty, even love. If you swear an allegiance and then discover that your liege is corrupt - say for instance a knight swears to Lord Eldon without knowing his ways, when he does learn of them, should he be bound to aid in the rape of women? No, of course not. How much suffering would have been averted if one of the Unworthy's kingsguard had broken their oaths and started the reign of Good King Daeron a few years earlier? The breaking of oaths and allegiances, or the betrayal of love - these are not to be taken lightly, but to say they are never the right thing to do is naive, allowing the powerful to do ill without repercussion." She pauses briefly. "Faith... is complicated. Septons - even the High Septon - are mere men, and like all men susceptible to error and failings. Cling to the principles of the Seven, not to the words of men regarding them. Fair judgement, mercy, good counsel, bravery, productivity, love, and one must not forget the Stranger - acceptance that not all will fit neatly into the ways of the other six; that which is merely different is not to be feared, or attacked, or derided - that which is different should be granted the same treatment as that which is familiar - the fair judgement of the Father, and so on. That which is different reminds us that what we do is not necessarily perfect, and can be improved upon... and to deny such is to deny the Stranger, and to deny any aspect of the Seven-that-are-one is to deny them all. I am sure many septons would find that heretical, but that would no doubt be out of fear of having their authority challenged." She shakes her head. "But I digress. The point is that if you are true to yourself and cling to the principles of the Seven, you should be able to separate the fallible words of man from the words of the Seven when both are coming from a Septon's mouth." Hand once again reaches out to his arm. It felt good being there. Not as good as when we were dancing and his hand was on my bare skin..."She pushes aside that thought before it leads to deep into dangerous territory. "You are a good man. Hold to that, and do not do what anyone else asks of you just because they ask - judge for yourself what is right, and you are more likely to stay a good man than if you let someone else decide for you. Be the master of your own destiny, not someone else's puppet... no matter who that someone else is."
Yeouch. Well, I'm not too afraid of losing this intrigue. It makes for good story either way. Take 2 frustration to reduce that by 4 each to 0 composure loss. D9 WW R5 Persuasion(convince) +1D RT: 5d6 17 vs ID 11, 2 DoS 2*4 = 8-3 is 5 composure ID 7 (11 reduced by 4 from frustration) DR 4 Composure 3/12 Frustration 2/4 Bonus dice remaining from Free Action: 0
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Post by Titus Blackbriar on Nov 17, 2018 2:49:47 GMT 1
"Thank you, Ashara." again the absence of Lady stood out. Was he being too familiar? Perhaps... but he liked it. He liked speaking to her and he liked listening to her, her voice, even when growing sterner, had a melody to it. A different melody, perhaps just a reminder of Sunspear or perhaps something else, perhaps it was the "song" that Master Malyk of House Levalle had spoken of so many days ago... "In many ways you are right." She spoke of things with a simplicity, a purity that one could only except from one that was actually never to be asked to carry a sword. How could a woman understand the expectation on a man? He made no assumption of understanding those of a woman. "But your family stands united. Mine doesn't. Would you betray your mother for your father? Or your father for your mother? Would you betray your brother if it pleased your king? Would you betray your king if it pleased your brother? The oaths are supposed to make things easier but they don't. Not when there are so many, you must understand this if you feel as you do to your betrothed?
If you could end it... would you?" there was something in his eyes, his voice when he spoke. Was it hope? Longing? Whatever it was he tried but failed toto conceal it, his voice shaking.
ID: 11 DR: 3 Composure: 1/11 Frustration: 0 Wolf Wounded - R5 Influence (Charm): 6d6k4+3 21 Wolf Wounded - R5 BotA Reroll (Original Roll:2): 1d6 5 - 23 - 4 DoS12 - 4 = 8 Influence dealt
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Post by Ashara Starkwood on Nov 17, 2018 6:24:49 GMT 1
Without a trace of hesitation she answers his question. "Yes. If I could do so without weakening my family, I would do anything to end this betrothal. It is of no benefit to anyone. However, without going so far as to dishonor myself and thus give Lady Maegelle the satisfaction of running my family's name through the muck - and by extension harming my brother and my cousin's chances at a good marriage - I have no way to do so. Tradition affords me the power to refuse to say the words, but not to end the betrothal itself." She smiles, not in a cheerful way, but rather in a way that seemed almost pained. "If oaths were easy we wouldn't need to swear them. They aren't meant to make things easier, they are meant to constrain us. We swear oaths about our highest ideals, so that we strive to live up to those ideals lest we be branded an oathbreaker. If keeping oaths was easy, we wouldn't need to swear them." She shakes her head. "When I was young - I couldn't have had more than five or six namedays - I learned of the Warrior Queen Nymeria, who led the Rhoynish to Westeros and joined forces with Morgan Martell to conquer all of Dorne. I was excited to learn that I had the blood of such an amazing person flowing through my veins, if only distantly. Bran the Builder was so boring in comparison. I told my brother that I wanted to be a great warrior like Nymeria when I grew up. He laughed and said that I couldn't be a warrior, because I was a girl. Only boys get to be warriors. I burst into tears and ran to my mother. She gently explained that in the Reach my brother was right; and that even in many Dornish houses such as her own House Dayne the noble girls were not typically trained in arms." She pauses. This wasn't a story she told very often - both because it was the first time she had the gentle naivete of childhood ripped from her by the cruel realities of the world and thus uncomfortable to think about, but also because people sometimes misinterpreted it as her wanting to don armor and sword and play at being a knight. "I felt betrayed. I felt like my hopes and dreams had been crushed, and that I was being forced into a tight box in order to shape me into the perfect artist's rendition of the Maiden. However, in time I figured out that neither my brother nor my mother were being cruel. To my brother it was simple fact, and what I had said was as ridiculous as winged pigs and talking horses - warrior women just didn't - couldn't - exist. To my mother it was preparing me for the world; an unpleasant kindness - a horrid thing at the time, but better than growing up clinging to the notion of being a warrior woman and be devastated when I learned that the entirety of society viewed me as some sort of monster." She sighs. "Your brother, your mother - they advocate treason. They are advocating breaking the oaths of fealty. If you were to attack them, or drag them before Lord Jon insisting that they be punished for treasonous words... that would be a betrayal. To hold firm to your oaths, and to try and get them to see the error of their ways - that is not betrayal, that is an unpleasant kindness. You would be saving them from a tragic end on the battlefield or a traitor's execution. I would say that the best thing you could do for your mother and brother would be to try and persuade them not to take up arms - or words - against the king. In the same way that you would counsel them against any crime - not betraying them, but trying to prevent them from suffering as a result if unwise actions. I would go so far as to say it is your duty to do so - your duty to your king and your lord, and your duty to protect your family - even if in this case it is protecting them by persuading them not to bring harm upon themselves." She pauses. She was frustrated. She was so convinced of the rightness of her arguments that Titus' resistance was incomprehensible to her. Perhaps reason alone wasn't enough. Perhaps reason tinged with emotion would do it. She had not missed that he had been addressing her by name, without title. She wasn't quite sure how she felt about it - much like she wasn't sure how she felt about him. He, however, clearly had a more then neighborly interest in her... "I have to warn you - I fear that whomever ordered this attack on House Bridges might target your own house. Like your Lord Jon, Lord Bryce was quietly a supporter of the King. Like Lord Bryce, Lord Jon's heir is incapable of rule, and would need a regent. Like Lord Bryce, Lord Jon's regent would likely support the King. However, now that there is this ridiculous rumor of that heir being illegitimate, an argument could be pushed that your father is the true heir... and if your mother, your brother, and yourself all side against the King, what would he do? Even if he did hold true to his oaths, it would simply be an invitation for the killers to strike again, making your brother lord of Gyldenhall." She lowers her gaze. She can't meet his eyes for this last part. "Titus, I cannot choose to not have Rhoynish blood. Nor can I choose to join a faction that advocates for the killing of Dornish for no reason other than ancestry. That would be a betrayal of my family - and of myself. I would not have us be enemies - but if we are not joined together in support of the king, there cannot be any true alliances between our houses... and if House Blackbriar... if you join the traitors, that would make us enemies." Would it? Could I ever really think of him as an enemy?Truth or not, her words are delivered as cold, hard, fact - not a threat, just an unpleasant reality - much like the unpleasant reality that her brother and mother had told her about so may years ago. She wanted to take his arm, to reassure him that it would never be so, that she would never think of him as an enemy... but that might be an even bigger lie.
Take my last two frustration to reduce that by 4 each to 0 composure loss. No risk, no reward...? I win it here or I am all but guaranteed to lose on Titus' next action - but I think either one would make for a better story than a yield. D9 WW R6 Persuasion(act) +1D RT +2 Courteous: 7d6k5+2 28 vs ID 8 (Romantic/Naive applies) is 4 DoS 4*4 = 16-3 is 13 composure; even if Titus takes all 3 of his frustration that would only reduce it by 12 (I'm assuming Will 3) so 1 point would remain, just enough to put him at 0 composure. Any result less than 4 DoS would have been insufficient. ID 3 (11 reduced by 8 from frustration) DR 4 Composure 3/12 Frustration 4/4 Bonus dice remaining from Free Action: 0
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Post by Titus Blackbriar on Nov 17, 2018 12:49:19 GMT 1
He fell silent. And for a few moments no one said anything. Deep inside, Titus knew her to be right. For all the glory and honour and camaraderie that was promised, Civil War was on the horizon. Not conquest and not foreign invasion but Civil War.
If he cut himself off from it all. From family; father, mother, Balon, cousin Gormon... what was the truest course of action? He knew. Didn't he? But what if he wasn't strong enough to make that stand? This is what Ashara could never understand, to go against ones own family, loved ones it takes strength. An incomprehensible amount of strength that he did not know f he had.
And that frightened him.
He had not considered the extent of the threat this could all pose on his family; he had not considered the connection between the murders and the rumours against Lady Erena. The world suddenly seemed so vast, the shadows longer and darker and him so much smaller. Right now all he wanted was to return to Gyldenhaal and leave it all behind. But there would be no escape. Only confrontation.
He sighed and bowed gently to her. "I do not wish to have you as an enemy..." What do you wish to have her as then? "It is getting late. I hope that we'll meet again -soon- under better circumstances, my lady." he wanted to kiss her hand but refrained, instead he bowed a second time - a bit superfluous perhaps. As he leaves he stops and turns to her "He may not know it, but Ser Quentyn is a lucky man to have a warrior as strong as you by his side."
Thrilling stuff indeed! No guts, no glory!
Titus is defeated. Whilst he might not declare fully for Blood yet he knows it is the right thing to do and will be easier influenced towards it (but on the flip-side, as mentioned in PMs, a firm enough push from the right person of authority could undo it. Or strengthen it. He's a confused little boy. Thanks for a fun intriuge!
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Post by Ashara Starkwood on Nov 17, 2018 16:15:09 GMT 1
Ashara feels her body flush with heat when he compliments her. As he turns to leave she reaches out and grabs his arm once more, stopping him.
"I am not by his side - and never will be. He has followed his family into treason, and is my enemy."
She stops speaking, but does not let go immediately.
Should I say 'and the enemy of my enemy is my friend?' No. That's too much. I don't want him to endanger himself picking a meaningless fight with the Cordwayners.
That thought befuddles her. If Titus was not a tool to be used, nor an ally in her struggles, what was he to her? She releases her hold on his arm, saying nothing more.
Messed up the the math a little in my last post, it doesn't change the outcome, but for the sake of accuracy - at Will 3, Titus' frustration would reduce the composure done by 3 each, so 9, not 12. I still needed 4 DoS though, because 3 DoS would have been 12-3DR = 9, so his 3 frustration would have reduced it to 0, keeping him in the intrigue at 1 composure.
[/scene if you want, happy to keep the conversation going, though we are on the cusp of a day change so wrapping up might be a good idea.]
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Post by Titus Blackbriar on Nov 18, 2018 12:23:24 GMT 1
A third, courteous bow but no response from him as Titus makes his way in to the crowds.
[happy to call it as D10 is coming]
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