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Post by Father on Aug 14, 2018 6:51:52 GMT 1
Aggressive/Defensive is just a matter of style. Noble is kind of the chivalrous norm, although partly that technique was added to make injuries less of an issue, without that option, odds are that you'd be eating injuries when matches are to nine tilts, win or not. Brutal is 1) Probably an under-powered option for dealing damage, so I might have to run the numbers and see if it shouldn't be -1 for +2 or something 2) Intended to be "win by dealing injuries", and generally not very chivalrous.
However, brutal is supposed to be trying to hurt your opponent, but no more, trying to kill is what Otho Bracken did. Rumors will chew out Walgrave Oakheart for not going noble and increasing the risk of accidents, PC's gets a free pass on this because that fact wasn't communicated, but consequences of defeat is ransom 19 out of 20 times that health goes to 0 (and 0 health is rarely the result of noble style which is most commonly used).
Under ordinary circumstances, Walton Wyl would have survived. Although the way I read that exchange, it's hard to interpret it in any other way than Balon being pleased with the outcome.
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Aug 14, 2018 7:59:46 GMT 1
Post by Ser Donnel Blackbriar on Aug 14, 2018 7:59:46 GMT 1
That makes a lot of sense! Ser Donnel will certainly use noble from now on!
Balon was probably very pleased, and though not IC intending for the kill, I don't think he would be overly upset. And as somebody said earlier, the truth about how he didnt wish to kill doesnt make a difference in how it is percieved!
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Aug 14, 2018 10:14:56 GMT 1
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Post by Roland Cordwayner on Aug 14, 2018 10:14:56 GMT 1
Via narrator sanction, sounds like Ashara’s awareness check might determine pleasure at the result of the tilt then. Pleased that Balon has lit a spark under things, good for the game. Also to answer narrator query on Cordwayner thread with Balon, Roland just passed on confirmed to Addam that he heard talk of someone matching Ashara’s unusual description, but believes this was a trick to blame her or at worst she was forced in to such. Sounds like this is no more than other PCs and Cordwayners know.
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Post by Father on Aug 14, 2018 14:39:55 GMT 1
There is a pit-trap in the written medium that a lot of things which are obvious face to face are not so in text only. You make an IC post with mostly speech and little background, odds are that it is much less clear to whoever's behind the other screen how to interpret it than it seems to you when writing it. I wouldn't claim to be good at it, but when I remember to do it, and when I have time, I try to put in some descriptive text to try to give guidance in the IC as to how I think things should be interpreted, failing that, just adding an OOC note can do wonders in a pinch. (which I hate to do personally, but it takes much less time to write straight out what I try to convey than to write it into story). Working your own interpretation into the IC response can help give feedback to the other player also, this is something I am much worse at (and I think that goes for others, too), internal thoughts can work nicely for both ways. Something I'm worse at remembering to do (although in this game, I have the advantage of knowing what people say in their private forums), and others might find useful, is to straight up ask OOC: "How am I supposed to interpret this?". If we all were superhumans with all the awareness, peace of mind and time in the world to avoid this, we'd have much more fun, both in hobbies like this and life in general. Looking specifically at this post as an example: greatbastards.boards.net/post/6205It very much looks like Balon is gloating about killing him, indicating no shame or regret and that though he may not have intended to kill him, he certainly wouldn't want the outcome to be different. Ashara inferring that "Balon wanted him dead" and jump to the IC conclusion that it was deliberate is what I would expect given what there is to read in the thread. In a vacuum, where Balon says "accidentally killed", it looks like he doesn't really mean it. From Balon the player's OOC comments, that may not be entirely what was intended to be conveyed, so sometimes OOC legwork is needed to bridge the gap, alternatively conclude that our characters put their foot in their mouth and now need to deal with the consequences.
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Post by Ashara Starkwood on Aug 14, 2018 15:18:23 GMT 1
Looking specifically at this post as an example: greatbastards.boards.net/post/6205It very much looks like Balon is gloating about killing him, indicating no shame or regret and that though he may not have intended to kill him, he certainly wouldn't want the outcome to be different. Ashara inferring that "Balon wanted him dead" and jump to the IC conclusion that it was deliberate is what I would expect given what there is to read in the thread. In a vacuum, where Balon says "accidentally killed", it looks like he doesn't really mean it. This is the interpretation I am going to go with, for two reasons: 1) It maintains the drama that Balon's DP was spent to create. If Ashara suddenly started telling everyone that it really was an accident it would (a) be out of character and (b) defuse much of the tension created (at least between Blackbriar and Starkwood), 2) It sidesteps the whole issue of intent in the moment (it's not like humans aren't prone to post-hoc rationalizations anyway), which as Donnel pointed out, isn't really relevant. In hindsight, it was a mistake to bring mechanics into it... it was unnecessary and disruptive. EDIT: Just want to clarify that it was a mistake for ME to bring mechanics into it; that is not the necessarily the case for others (I didn't see Titus starting the intrigue before I wrote this post). It's about the specifics of the characters involved, I shouldn;t have phrased it universally.
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Aug 14, 2018 17:53:01 GMT 1
Post by Alliser on Aug 14, 2018 17:53:01 GMT 1
Intimidate: 5d6k3+7 23damn that a solid static bonus. does that include the +2 from his disposition modifier to intimidate from alliers reviled?
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Post by Father on Aug 14, 2018 17:54:18 GMT 1
Yes.
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Post by Father on Aug 14, 2018 19:21:41 GMT 1
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Post by Ser Donnel Blackbriar on Aug 15, 2018 16:34:05 GMT 1
I love the choices! You can be a hero and save someone guaranteed, or you may hope that all Pcs cqn pool together and save everybody!
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Post by Roland Cordwayner on Aug 15, 2018 16:44:19 GMT 1
I love the choices! You can be a hero and save someone guaranteed, or you may hope that all Pcs cqn pool together and save everybody! Choices are for people who don’t critically fail their drawback rolls... Coffee is for closers. C is for cookie.
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Aug 15, 2018 17:44:07 GMT 1
Post by Malyk on Aug 15, 2018 17:44:07 GMT 1
I love the choices! You can be a hero and save someone guaranteed, or you may hope that all Pcs cqn pool together and save everybody! In my experience, Knights tend to go for the most dramatic good over the greater good. Those that choose to save everybody may go unsung, but are no less heroes.
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Aug 15, 2018 17:48:43 GMT 1
Post by Father on Aug 15, 2018 17:48:43 GMT 1
Sounds about right.
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Post by Ashara Starkwood on Aug 15, 2018 18:40:24 GMT 1
That's good enough for me.
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Aug 15, 2018 19:29:58 GMT 1
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Post by Alliser on Aug 15, 2018 19:29:58 GMT 1
I love the choices! You can be a hero and save someone guaranteed, or you may hope that all Pcs cqn pool together and save everybody! In my experience, Knights tend to go for the most dramatic good over the greater good. Those that choose to save everybody may go unsung, but are no less heroes. And Lord's tend to not be there at all. Because it's small folk murderers, those are dime a dozen. It's not like I could interrogate them in a crush of people. That's why we send our madmen to keep an eye on things 😉
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Aug 15, 2018 19:36:40 GMT 1
Post by Ashara Starkwood on Aug 15, 2018 19:36:40 GMT 1
Ashara would probably try to keep the peace if she were there... but she has no interest in executions and with the way the Septa's procession went, she probably wouldn't be allowed to go without an armed guard, which would annoy her severely.
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