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Post by Father on Jan 22, 2019 19:30:00 GMT 1
"Nobody pushed me, I fell" She insists, Ashara is reasonably certain that she must have jumped, but she doesn't want to admit that part. "If I could chose, I would have the marriage annulled" If rumors are true, Imry took away that option but a few days ago, having yet to consummate the marriage before being goaded into it.
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Post by Balon Blackbriar on Jan 22, 2019 21:23:04 GMT 1
She turns to Balon. "Thank you for your assistance. I still don't like you, but you are a better man than I had given you credit for." At first Balon didn't think he'd heard Ashara correctly. It took a moment for his brain to register the quasi-compliment. For once in his life, he didn't know what to say, "Uhh," he cleared his throat, "Thank you my lady. The same to you."
****************Outside the Tent************************** He left the tent with Gerold and Malyk and milled about while the squire went to inform Lord Florent of Lyanna's condition. "She can't stay here you know." he said to Malyk. "She'll have to return to the Florent's encampment sooner than later." That's when the trouble might begin.
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Post by Malyk on Jan 23, 2019 2:47:23 GMT 1
"Lady Lyanna has been somewhat fragile of late, and this has been a harrowing experience. I am sure now that she is safe Lord Reynald will be patient and understanding for the moment. My understanding is that she recently felt a calling to serve the Faith. While that may be inconvenient for some, it is something that cannot be ignored."
While it was well known Malyk did not lie, that didn't mean he could not choose his words with care.
"I do wish to thank you for your timely intervention, Ser Balon. Lady Lyanna would not be alive were it not for your swift actions. I can't speak for House Florent, but House Levalle is very grateful for your courage. The Blackbriar reputation for honor and chivalry is obviously well deserved."
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Post by Ashara Starkwood on Jan 23, 2019 16:59:08 GMT 1
"Nobody pushed me, I fell" She insists, Ashara is reasonably certain that she must have jumped, but she doesn't want to admit that part. "If I could chose, I would have the marriage annulled" If rumors are true, Imry took away that option but a few days ago, having yet to consummate the marriage before being goaded into it. Ashara sighs. "If you think you can convince the Faith that the marriage has not been consummated..." She shakes her head. "It might work, but if it fails you will be stuck right back where you were before. You could take holy vows... but it seems what you really want is freedom, not to exchange one oppressive cage for another... though I suppose if we found the right septry you could run from it later." She ponders. "There is another option, though one that may be very costly to you personally. Right now, the only think known about your condition is that you are weak from your ordeal, and need rest. If you were to take a turn for the worse and die, you would be mourned but then life would move on, without you. Of course I'm not talking about actually killing you, I saved your life once and I would do it again... but if we were to say you died, and secret you out of our camp, you could live a new life with a new name, away from Imry. You would have to give up your name and your home, however." She puts her hand on Lyanna's shoulder consolingly. "One way or another, I will do what I can to help you get the freedom you desire - but it has to be your choice."
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Post by Balon Blackbriar on Jan 23, 2019 21:37:09 GMT 1
"Lady Lyanna has been somewhat fragile of late, and this has been a harrowing experience. I am sure now that she is safe Lord Reynald will be patient and understanding for the moment. My understanding is that she recently felt a calling to serve the Faith. While that may be inconvenient for some, it is something that cannot be ignored." "I don't presume to know Lord Reynald's thoughts but I highly doubt that. If I was a gambler I'd wager he'll send a litter and his maester to help escort Lady Lyanna back to his camp where he can have his own healer tend to her." And make sure she doesn't try to kill herself again. And keep her from talking to people about her and Imry. And try to avoid further embarrassment.
"The Faith... huh." Balon scratched the side of his head in thought. If she became a septa, would Imry stay as a landed knight in service to the Florents or go off on his own. "Shame it's come to this.""I do wish to thank you for your timely intervention, Ser Balon. Lady Lyanna would not be alive were it not for your swift actions. I can't speak for House Florent, but House Levalle is very grateful for your courage. The Blackbriar reputation for honor and chivalry is obviously well deserved." "Don't thank me. Thank yourself. Your quick thinking is what brought me to the river." His last sentence brought out a short bitter laugh from Balon. Honor and chivalry...
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Post by Malyk on Jan 23, 2019 22:27:41 GMT 1
"You may be right, Ser." Perhaps Lord Florent would do just that. There were no easy paths in this situation. "Sometimes social chains are as strong as any steel. You are certainly correct that it is a shame it has come to this."
A shame and completely unnecessary. If only Septon Janos had let me speak with her, I might have averted much of this and more to follow. If only Lady Rhonda had deigned to take a minor interest. A few words, a little pressure would have been trivial for her.
He noted the bitter laugh with a raised eyebrow. "I call you chivalrous because it is true, at least in this instance. Perhaps you have done things that are not so chivalrous. I do not know. Few men are a blank canvas. Most are a portrait of light and dark. In this instance you chose to help a young woman in need. Many chose to do otherwise. Others laughed at the spectacle. Still others would have intervened with Lady Ashara's efforts for whatever reason, most likely based on their misplaced assumptions or deep prejudice. You did an honorable thing, and I believe not the first this tourney.
Thank you for your good words, but the Seven simply put me in the right place and the right time. I find it happens often, but usually it is not I that have the skills to address the situation. My purpose is usually to rally those that do."
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Post by Father on Jan 24, 2019 20:34:16 GMT 1
She just shakes her head, fooling maesters that she were dead would be problematic, and even so Lord Florent would likely want her remains returned. And it would be easy enough for Lord Florent to have the annulment teared up long before the High Septon might affix his seal to it, even if the rumors were found to be untrue, which was unlikely. "I wanted to take my vows to the Faith, but Septon Janos told me that Ser Imry had refused to grant me leave from the vows of marriage, but I couldn't go back to him either, and there was nowhere else to run away to either." She does not admit that she jumped, she does not have to. It would probably be far easier to make her disappear if she first went back to Imry, either that or see if the man could not be persuaded to let her become a septa, though The Faith seems to have no more allure to her than as a means to escape.
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Post by Balon Blackbriar on Jan 28, 2019 6:50:37 GMT 1
He noted the bitter laugh with a raised eyebrow. "I call you chivalrous because it is true, at least in this instance. Perhaps you have done things that are not so chivalrous. I do not know. Few men are a blank canvas. Most are a portrait of light and dark. In this instance you chose to help a young woman in need. Many chose to do otherwise. Others laughed at the spectacle. Still others would have intervened with Lady Ashara's efforts for whatever reason, most likely based on their misplaced assumptions or deep prejudice. You did an honorable thing, and I believe not the first this tourney." Balon nodded his head as he said quietly, "Light and dark." He thought on those words for a moment, "I find the world is mostly grey. True there are people that are a *blinding light* if you will and some are the blackest fiends but most are a little of each." What am I? Balon chuckled, "I don't know which is worse, dealing with a world full of grey or people with darkness in their souls fooling everyone into thinking their full of light." Balon couldn't help but think of Lord Marq. Balon assumed Malyk was referring to his rescue of Ser Aladore. "I think most knights would've done the same as I. Like you I just happened to be in the right place at the right time. Shame I couldn't have been in the right place to save Lord Jon (Hightower)." Balon regretted not being able to do anything for Lord Jon because not only was it the right thing to do Jon was also one of Ser Daemon's biggest advocates. "But I can not change the past."Balon changed back to the topic at hand, "How well do you know Ser Imry and Lady Lyanna?"
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Post by Malyk on Jan 28, 2019 11:03:05 GMT 1
"I understand. The world can seem very grey; sometimes dark. I'm sure to Lady Lyanna the world seems very dark indeed. When dark is all around us it can take effort to see the light, but it is there if we look for it. I once saw a blood soaked mercenary brave roaring flames to save a child. I've seen ruthless highwayman save a women from being raped. I know of thieves who use some of their ill-gotten gains to fund Septs, orphanages and poor houses." He sighed. "But I understand what you say. The world can seem very grey when so many choose to ignore the dark and do not look for the light.
I think though, you are charitable that any Knight would have done the same. There were many Knights at the shore laughing and making crude remarks. Their character was on display for all to see. In the case of Ser Aladore, many Knights would not concern themselves with the affairs of another House unless they were sure there was glory to be had or they might profit by it. Few indeed were the Knights that came to Lord Eldon's defense just because he is who he is. Your opinion of Dorne is well known, Ser Balon, but you did not let that stand in your way of doing what was right. After Lyanna was on the shore you could washed your hands of this affair, but you did not. You chose to stay with Lady Ashara and Lady Lyanna to protect them and ensure their safety. Given the behavior of many Knights this tourney, I think you are in the minority."
He looked away at the mention of Lord Jon, deep regret in his eyes. "I was in the right place and the right time to save Ser Jon. The Seven told me something was wrong, but the party had distracted me and I didn't realize the danger till it was too late. Had I listened better, had I not been distracted, had I been more on guard and realized there were vipers at this tourney, perhaps Lord Jon would still be with us." He shook his head. "But as you say, we cannot change the past and wishing will not make it so. Had I throttled Abelar on the steps of the Sept as I wished to when I first saw him a week ago hundreds would still be alive today including Ser Donnel, but then I would have been hanged and would not have been here to help save Jorah or Lady Lyanna. Even our failures sometimes have a purpose. Reflection on the past is important but only so we can move forward wiser men.
I know Ser Imry very well. I watched him grow from boy to manhood. He is a man chased by many demons, mostly of his own making, like so many of us. Perhaps if he allowed others to help him fight those demons he would be a better man, but for that he would have to show weakness and most men are loathe to do so. I know very little of Lady Lyanna; only that she fell into a dark river on the death of her Father and has been swept along by the current ever since. I tried to help her, but I was prevented from seeing her, and so many have failed her she might not have brung herself to trust me in any case.
The Levalle name carries a deep prejudice. Some of it justified, much of it a confection invented by others so they may feel better about themselves. Most of the good I have done in my life has been done quietly without fanfare or scrutiny; small threads pulled here and there to make lives better or reduce harm. When this story is told, you and Lady Ashara will be held up as heroes, and well deserved, while I doubt my name will even be mentioned." He shrugged. "It does not matter. I do what is needed because it is needed, not for glory or reward. I admit I would like House Levalle's reputation to be something at least slightly resembling the truth, but that is likely a luxury I will never have."
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Post by Balon Blackbriar on Feb 1, 2019 21:36:12 GMT 1
"I understand. The world can seem very grey; sometimes dark. I'm sure to Lady Lyanna the world seems very dark indeed. When dark is all around us it can take effort to see the light, but it is there if we look for it...
Balon's curiosity was piqued, "Tell me master Malyk, if the world was dark enough for her to *fall* of a bridge what light is there for her to see? I doubt Ser Imry will allow her to take the holy vows." He sighed, "Even if by some miracle her marriage was annulled she'd be married off to some other knight soon enough." Balon couldn't fathom why the marriage was such an unhappy one. I think though, you are charitable that any Knight would have done the same. There were many Knights at the shore laughing and making crude remarks. Their character was on display for all to see. In the case of Ser Aladore, many Knights would not concern themselves with the affairs of another House unless they were sure there was glory to be had or they might profit by it. Few indeed were the Knights that came to Lord Eldon's defense just because he is who he is. Your opinion of Dorne is well known, Ser Balon, but you did not let that stand in your way of doing what was right. After Lyanna was on the shore you could washed your hands of this affair, but you did not. You chose to stay with Lady Ashara and Lady Lyanna to protect them and ensure their safety. Given the behavior of many Knights this tourney, I think you are in the minority." Balon smiled at the kind words. Not many people shared the sentiment. "Thank you for the kind words." In a rare moment of humility Balon refrained from bragging. He looked away at the mention of Lord Jon, deep regret in his eyes. "I was in the right place and the right time to save Ser Jon. The Seven told me something was wrong, but the party had distracted me and I didn't realize the danger till it was too late. Had I listened better, had I not been distracted, had I been more on guard and realized there were vipers at this tourney, perhaps Lord Jon would still be with us." He shook his head. "But as you say, we cannot change the past and wishing will not make it so. Had I throttled Abelar on the steps of the Sept as I wished to when I first saw him a week ago hundreds would still be alive today including Ser Donnel, but then I would have been hanged and would not have been here to help save Jorah or Lady Lyanna. Even our failures sometimes have a purpose. Reflection on the past is important but only so we can move forward wiser men. I know Ser Imry very well. I watched him grow from boy to manhood. He is a man chased by many demons, mostly of his own making, like so many of us. Perhaps if he allowed others to help him fight those demons he would be a better man, but for that he would have to show weakness and most men are loathe to do so. I know very little of Lady Lyanna; only that she fell into a dark river on the death of her Father and has been swept along by the current ever since. I tried to help her, but I was prevented from seeing her, and so many have failed her she might not have brung herself to trust me in any case.
Balon remembered some words of wisdom from his childhood, "People need to stop praying for a better past.""To show weakness is to invite challenge. Right or not I don't believe Ser Imry will be asking for help anytime soon. As to Lady Lyanna I know as much as you. Married young, devastated by her father's death. Does she have no one to turn to? To confide in?" Balon thought a moment, "You say you're in the right place at the right time, maybe now is the time for you to find someone to help her." The reality was Lord Florent would most likely be more concerned with any political fallout or loss of prestige rather than the health of Lyanna.
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Post by Malyk on Feb 1, 2019 22:38:55 GMT 1
"Perhaps I already have. Perhaps it is not I, but you that are in the right place and time, Ser Balon."
The Senechal regarded the Knight curiously. "You are a Knight that is well respected. Perhaps Ser Imry would listen to you when he might not others. I cannot speak for Ser Imry, but my feeling is that he cares little for Lyanna, perhaps not much more about his lands. You see, the marriage was arranged by his Father, Lord Levalle, and I think he has always resented that. He is a man that would grasp glory for himself and pursues it almost to the exclusion of everything else. Such a man does not like to have things handed to him. Perhaps that he did not earn his wife or his lands hurts his pride. I am also not telling any secrets to say he and his Father are not on good terms. Perhaps being the son of 'Lord Spongeholder' hurts his pride as well. People do many terrible things for the sake of pride.
You are also on very good terms with Lord Florent. It may be that he would also listen to you when he might not others. The situation as it stands needs to be addressed. There are many solutions, but I don't think ignoring the problem is one of them. My understanding is that Knights are to protect the defenseless and the innocent. I doubt there are many more defenseless or innocent than Lyanna Levalle. Perhaps the Seven have placed you and Lady Ashara, not only to save her from the Mander, but the darker river she find's herself in.
I expect Lady Ashara will get to the truth of the matter. I also expect she will not allow the situation to stand, nor should it. You are both clever. I am sure a solution can be determined between the two of you. I will certainly assist as much as my duty and loyalties allow. I don't think any of us want the alternative."
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Post by Balon Blackbriar on Feb 3, 2019 8:00:29 GMT 1
"Perhaps I already have. Perhaps it is not I, but you that are in the right place and time, Ser Balon." Balon shrugged, "Perhaps. I admit I'm at a loss of what I'd be able to do for Lady Lyanna at the moment," he added after a brief pause, "or in the future."The Senechal regarded the Knight curiously. "You are a Knight that is well respected. Perhaps Ser Imry would listen to you when he might not others. I cannot speak for Ser Imry, but my feeling is that he cares little for Lyanna, perhaps not much more about his lands. You see, the marriage was arranged by his Father, Lord Levalle, and I think he has always resented that. He is a man that would grasp glory for himself and pursues it almost to the exclusion of everything else. Such a man does not like to have things handed to him. Perhaps that he did not earn his wife or his lands hurts his pride. I am also not telling any secrets to say he and his Father are not on good terms. Perhaps being the son of 'Lord Spongeholder' hurts his pride as well. People do many terrible things for the sake of pride. You are also on very good terms with Lord Florent. It may be that he would also listen to you when he might not others. The situation as it stands needs to be addressed. There are many solutions, but I don't think ignoring the problem is one of them. My understanding is that Knights are to protect the defenseless and the innocent. I doubt there are many more defenseless or innocent than Lyanna Levalle. Perhaps the Seven have placed you and Lady Ashara, not only to save her from the Mander, but the darker river she find's herself in. I expect Lady Ashara will get to the truth of the matter. I also expect she will not allow the situation to stand, nor should it. You are both clever. I am sure a solution can be determined between the two of you. I will certainly assist as much as my duty and loyalties allow. I don't think any of us want the alternative."
Balon laughed when Malyk said he was well respected, "You understand you're talking to Balon Blackbriar and not Balon Fossoway, right?" Most within House Florent liked Balon but outside of them and those that hated the Dornish he was unliked as far as he could tell. "No one has the balls to call me a blackguard to my face but I know it's on a bunch of people's minds." He shifted the conversation back to Imry and Lyanna, "My advice would be one of two things; Don't be a piece of shit to your wife or claim the marriage was never consummated and go out on your own. There are plenty of lords and knights of influence looking for knights like Ser Imry." Balon wasn't sure what Malyk was implying so he went ahead and asked, "Are you suggesting I go to Lord Reynald and offer to take Ser Imry's place as Lady Lyanna's husband if the Faith would annul the marriage?"
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Post by Malyk on Feb 3, 2019 8:42:25 GMT 1
"Yes, Ser Balon. I understand who I am talking to. Contrary to popular belief, respect and agreement are two entirely different things. People can still respect you and disagree with some of your views. I don't agree with your view of the Dornish. I don't agree with your supporting those who desire war, but my disagreement is likely not relevant to you and certainly not relevant to the current situation, unless you feel working with Lady Ashara is an impediment. That has not seemed the case up to this point.
My understanding is that Ser Imry only bedded Lady Lyanna recently when his manhood was called into question. Given that, I doubt his pride will allow him to admit otherwise, whether he successfully performed or not. Given his drunken state at the time, his performance might be called into question, but not by one such as I. Perhaps he was so drunk he does not fully recall the events of the evening. I suppose an annulment would be possible if Lady Lyanna had fled prior to consummation. He might be more amenable if the fault was widely considered hers and not his. Of course if the marriage were annulled he would lose Greendew. He has not shown much interest in the lands, but often people don't care about things until they lose them. Of course, as Seneschal of House Levalle I must look after Ser Imry's interests, so I could never council or approve such an annulment and potential embarrassment." The Mad Master smiled. He was fully aware that he had just eschewed any kind of annulment, while pointing out exactly how to go about it. "Of course if someone were to convince him this was the proper course, Lord Levalle would have to reluctantly agree to his decision.
As to who would marry her should the current marriage be annulled, I admit I had not given it much thought to this point. I believe that love is the foundation of marriage, not politics, although I understand that such a view is not preferable or practical to the nobility. Ser Imry has chosen to ignore the many benefits of being married to Lady Lyanna, not the least of which an attractive wife, fertile lands and the good will of House Florent. Most men would show more appreciation."
He was suggesting that Ser Balon talk Ser Imry and Lord Florent into releasing Lyanna from the marriage. Whether he does this out of compassion or personal gain, the effect is the same. He was not suggesting you marry her, although he has no objection to the idea.
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Post by Balon Blackbriar on Feb 4, 2019 22:12:27 GMT 1
My understanding is that Ser Imry only bedded Lady Lyanna recently when his manhood was called into question. Given that, I doubt his pride will allow him to admit otherwise, whether he successfully performed or not. Given his drunken state at the time, his performance might be called into question, but not by one such as I. Perhaps he was so drunk he does not fully recall the events of the evening. I suppose an annulment would be possible if Lady Lyanna had fled prior to consummation. He might be more amenable if the fault was widely considered hers and not his. Of course if the marriage were annulled he would lose Greendew. He has not shown much interest in the lands, but often people don't care about things until they lose them. Of course, as Seneschal of House Levalle I must look after Ser Imry's interests, so I could never council or approve such an annulment and potential embarrassment." The Mad Master smiled. He was fully aware that he had just eschewed any kind of annulment, while pointing out exactly how to go about it. "Of course if someone were to convince him this was the proper course, Lord Levalle would have to reluctantly agree to his decision.
"Loyalty to your house vs. doing what's right, never an easy decision." Balon noted Malyk's suggestion on how to end the marriage and filed it away for future use. "Ironic isn't it. Lands and a bride he never wanted but to rid himself of them would require personal embarrassment that he isn't willing to accept." He shook his head in pity for Lady Lyanna. "As to who would marry her should the current marriage be annulled, I admit I had not given it much thought to this point. I believe that love is the foundation of marriage, not politics, although I understand that such a view is not preferable or practical to the nobility. Ser Imry has chosen to ignore the many benefits of being married to Lady Lyanna, not the least of which an attractive wife, fertile lands and the good will of House Florent. Most men would show more appreciation."
He was suggesting that Ser Balon talk Ser Imry and Lord Florent into releasing Lyanna from the marriage. Whether he does this out of compassion or personal gain, the effect is the same. He was not suggesting you marry her, although he has no objection to the idea. "Love." Balon thought of Laena and his personal desire over political gain. "One of the few advantages the smallfolk have over nobles. The ability to marry for love." Malyk could tell Balon was envious of it. "If I pledge my sword to Brightwater we'll see what I can do. Both deserve a chance at getting what they want."I'm fine continuing the conversation but I'm more interested in seeing what happens with Lyanna.
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